Another eventfull haul from MA to FL done.

ChuckW

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Mar 6, 2009
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MA & Southwest FL
Boat Info
2007 RoadKing Tri-Axle Trailer towed by a 2013 Yukon XL K2500
Engines
496 MAG Bravo III
Well, we completed our usual haul down to FL for April break. And as usual, it was full of fun....

First, this year we have a new '10 Suburban. See the notes on the tow vehicle experience here, http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29123, if interested.

As with one of my hauls last year, http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20400, the Carlisle trailer tires continue to fail one by one.

We are running through SC at about 72MPH when I hear the "pop". I don't say anything, but immediately my wife turns to me and says, "did a tire just blow?" Yes, honey I say as I begin to pull over. However I'm thinking I'm impressed that she is now getting "in tune" with the whole experience of towing and is "aware" of things.

So I pull over and sure enough one of the last 3 remaining Carlisle tires is blown. I have one Carlisle as a spare and one on the other side at this moment. I've been switching over to Goodyear Marathon's one by one and have not had any issues with those so far. So I remove the blown wheel, install the Carlise spare and we are back on the road in 30 minutes. I'm getting good at this tire changing thing. :smt013

So as we start out, my wife says, "shouldn't we find a place to get a new tire for a spare just in case?" Sure, if we can find a place along 95 that won't take us out of our way. It's now 4:30pm on Saturday, what are the chances of finding a new Goodyear Marathon trailer tire in an odd size ready to go sitting on the side of 95 in front of us I say? :huh:

So I charge my oldest son with the task of finding Goodyear Tire shops along our route using his mobile phone's browser and we begin calling. First one I call doesn't have it, but they show 1 tire remaining at a partner site a little further south. I said I'd take it, but when do they close. Well they close at 6pm, it's 4:30 and they are about an hour south of us. So we have time right?

About 30 minutes later, another pop. The spare I just put on now blows. I have no spare and am forced to run on 2 tires on the right side (tri-axle) at 35mph until the next exit. I pull off and find a gas station and drop the boat, wife and oldest son to babysit the boat. Then I high tail it to the tire shop (I was passing everything, even the cops) and arrive to the tire shop 15 minutes before they close. They put the new tire on my rim and I head back north to where I left the boat and wife and son...:smt101:smt101:smt101

Put on the new tire and off we go with still no spare, but at least 6 good ones on. However, due to tire failures we are now 2-1/2 hours delayed on our journey. We drive as far as I can into the night. Midnight approaches and we are still 3 hours away from home in FL. So we spend a second night in a hotel and finish the trip in the morning.

We arrive by 11am and I immediately wash the boat (gotta get all the road grime off) and prep for launch. By 1pm we launched the boat. My two boys and I spend the afternoon burnin' fuel as it was raining and the girls wanted to stay high and dry back at the house. No pics, as this was a time for no technology, just me, my boys, the boat and some great memories as we cruised our beloved waters here in FL on a very rainy day, listening to 70s on 7 on Sirius. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Wouldn't have it any other way!!!
 
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Nothing worse than Pop.... when towing 10k, 12k, 14k behind the truck! I think it is more like a bang, It sure can get the heart pounding. Anyting over 26' should always have a tripple, you are the poster child for 6 tires :)

Glad you made it safe, you know they say that 1/2 of the fun is getting there.
 
I hate the carlisle tires....I was towing my 260 the day I bought it and had one separate, the steel belts then beat the crap out of my nice powder coated fender while I pulled over. Losing 1 tire out of 6 sucks, but its a real pucker factor losing 1 out of 4 (my trailer is a tandem) Amazingly the second tire on that side didn't blow, I believe the Carlisle tires were D range. The next day I bought a set of Greenball Transmaster tires in load range E.
 
Welcome Chuck. Where is your SW Florida home?

--- AquaPalooza 2010 Event Information ---
Event: MarineMax Venice
Location: South Lido Beach
City, State: Venice, Florida
Date: July 18, 2010
Time: 11am to 3pm
Dealership name: MarineMax Venice Retail Sales
Contact person: Lori White
Phone: 941-485-3388
Email: lori.white@marinemax.com
Special Considerations: South Lido Beach
 
How old were those Carlisles?

Thinking about changing tires just to be safe.
On a per tire basis, hard to say. No older than the trailer, which is 3 years. However, I've had 10 Carlisle's in those years. After the first few replacements in 2 years I started switching over to Goodyear Marathons.

Welcome Chuck. Where is your SW Florida home?
Port Charlotte. I keep the boat at Palm Island in Placida. I've attended the Aquapalooza at Cayo Costa in the past, which is now moving to Lido.

--- AquaPalooza 2010 Event Information ---
Event: MarineMax Venice
Location: South Lido Beach
City, State: Venice, Florida
Date: July 18, 2010
Time: 11am to 3pm
Dealership name: MarineMax Venice Retail Sales
Contact person: Lori White
Phone: 941-485-3388
Email: lori.white@marinemax.com
Special Considerations: South Lido Beach
 
On a per tire basis, hard to say. No older than the trailer, which is 3 years. However, I've had 10 Carlisle's in those years. After the first few replacements in 2 years I started switching over to Goodyear Marathons.

On my previous tandem trailer, I had 15" D rated Carlisle, and over the course of four months, all of them blew (literally).

I ended up replacing them with 15" E (also Carlisle) and never had another issue with them.

ChuckW - having a triple axle for a 260 is an over-design, you should not be having these issues!

However, trailering at 72mph is kinda pushing it.....
 
On my previous tandem trailer, I had 15" D rated Carlisle, and over the course of four months, all of them blew (literally).

I ended up replacing them with 15" E (also Carlisle) and never had another issue with them.

ChuckW - having a triple axle for a 260 is an over-design, you should not be having these issues!

However, trailering at 72mph is kinda pushing it.....
My tri-axle has 14" wheels with C rated tires.

Have to respectfully disagree on the statment that a tri-axle is over-designed for a 260. The combination weighs in at 10,500 (wet and loaded), the trailer is rated at 11k. A tri-axle on the long haul is no match for a tandem.
 
Have to respectfully disagree on the statment that a tri-axle is over-designed for a 260. The combination weighs in at 10,500 (wet and loaded), the trailer is rated at 11k. A tri-axle on the long haul is no match for a tandem.

The "over design" comment was a compliment to you. Again, if you are using for long haul's, that certainly was a consideration when you designed it.

My last tandem trailer weighed that amount - there are certainly pro's & con's to going to three axles. (I was very happy with my tandem axle trailer).

Most single engine boats that size are normally on a two axle trailer. That doesn't make it right, and again, with three axles, and that weight (about 3,000 lbs on each axle (the rest on the tongue)), you should not be having tire issues. That is a very manageable weight for each tire.
 
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The "over design" comment was a compliment to you. Again, if you are using for long haul's, that certainly was a consideration when you designed it.

My last tandem trailer weighed that amount - there are certainly pro's & con's to going to three axles. (I was very happy with my tandem axle trailer).

Most single engine boats that size are normally on a two axle trailer. That doesn't make it right, and again, with three axles, and that weight (about 3,000 lbs on each axle (the rest on the tongue)), you should not be having tire issues. That is a very manageable weight for each tire.
Gotch ya...:thumbsup:

How did the new Suburban do compared to the previous one?

Dave
Updated my OP on the new Suburban. In short, not as well.
http://clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29123
 
That's us...We come for the month of July, along with April Break and sometimes for Thanksgiving and February breaks.
 
Let us know if you plan to be around Palm Island Marina in July. Our group always has an event at the Palm Island Marina on the 4th of July weekend. Maybe we could meet up with you?
 
Let us know if you plan to be around Palm Island Marina in July. Our group always has an event at the Palm Island Marina on the 4th of July weekend. Maybe we could meet up with you?

We will be there... Last 4th we cruised with MM up to Longboat Key Club for the weekend. This year, haven't made any specific plans.
 
My tri-axle has 14" wheels with C rated tires.

"C" rated tires are essentially 4-ply passenger car tires. You need to have at least a "D" rated tire (6 ply). Going 72 mph with a "C" rated tire on 14" wheels and with that kind of weight, you are definitely going to blow out some tires. The manufacturer of that trailer put your life in danger for the sake of saving a couple of manufacturing dollars. The reason that they say "C" rating rather than "4-ply" is because the tire is a two-ply tire with the strength of a 4-ply tire. That is what your boat is riding on - paper thin pieces of crap. You need to get tires manufactured specifically for use on trailers that have a minimum "D" rating.
 
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"C" rated tires are essentially 4-ply passenger car tires. You need to have at least a "D" rated tire (6 ply). Going 72 mph with a "C" rated tire on 14" wheels and with that kind of weight, you are definitely going to blow out some tires. The manufacturer of that trailer put your life in danger for the sake of saving a couple of manufacturing dollars. The reason that they say "C" rating rather than "4-ply" is because the tire is a two-ply tire with the strength of a 4-ply tire. That is what your boat is riding on - paper thin pieces of crap. You need to get tires manufactured specifically for use on trailers that have a minimum "D" rating.
Where are you coming up with that information? C rated are 6ply, D rated are 8 ply. In an R14 D rated tires don't exist, at least by any of the major manufacturers that I've checked. These are all ST designated trailer tires so no one is endangering anyone here, it's just a matter of quality of product IMO. I just completed another haul from MA to FL this weekend. The GY Marathons are still holding up well. :thumbsup:
 
I was coming home from the lake on Saturday evening, about 50 miles from the house, when my right side tire blow. I pulled the jack out and got the tire pff only to find that the spare the dealer sold me would not fit over the spindle. The hole pattern was correct but still couldn't get it on.

We had to strip the boat and load everything that wasn't bolted down into the van including the blown tire, spare, and play tube and let it sit along the road until Sunday. Didn't sleep much Saturday night.

Sunday I had the tire swapped on the rims and returned to install the tire which only took a few minutes to do. (No theft or damage from the night before.) We wanted to use the boat since we were already so close to the lake but since we removed eveything and unload part of the stuff at home, we didn't have the drain plug. After 30 minutes driving we found a dealer that openned up for us and sold us one.

Back on the lake everything went well. Afterwards we loaded the boat and headed back for home. Got 15 miles from home and the left side blow out. I parked it at the weigh station that was right at the place I blow out and picked up a spare from a local tire shop on Monday. Finally got it home last night.

Both tires were 5 years old but there was absolutely no sign of dry rot. The tread separated. Tire dealer said it was from sitting through the winter without rotating and a load on them. Next winter we'll block it up and cover the tires....
 
Where are you coming up with that information? C rated are 6ply, D rated are 8 ply. In an R14 D rated tires don't exist, at least by any of the major manufacturers that I've checked. These are all ST designated trailer tires so no one is endangering anyone here, it's just a matter of quality of product IMO. I just completed another haul from MA to FL this weekend. The GY Marathons are still holding up well. :thumbsup:

Okay, roll on!
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