AED's how many of you carry one?

MonacoMike said:
This is one of my favorite threads I ever started. It shows a stark contrast between the Alpha's with an in charge be prepared attitude and the "I'll call for help when I need it crowd but it will never happen to me".
MM
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MonacoMike said:
What do you have for a first aid kit to save your life? Save your broken or damaged apendage? Save your boating day?

Hopefully, you are not saying "my cell phone", relying on a $20 big box store first aid kit, or a 10 year old dried out formely water soaked first aid kit.

Boating is one of the most dangerious activities one can partake in and it is also one of the least accessable to first responders. (Particulaly for coastal boaters.)
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I have to laugh at this. Rather than an Alpha male it sounds more like someone how is too timid and worried to do anything thing that is remotely dangerous.
 
Current AED's truly are easy to operate, theyre designed to be that way on purpose. Read the instructions a couple of tmes, and most have voice prompts to get you through, it truly is easy, and most publicly accessable units dont have certifications. Now, getting into units with more capabilities, yes, certifications are in place, and training. As far as law suits, Im not aware of any state that doesn't have "good samaritan" protections. And remember, if youre in that situation, and a shock is called for, you cant hurt them, if they arent dead, they very soon will be.
 
Westie said:
I have to laugh at this. Rather than an Alpha male it sounds more like someone how is too timid and worried to do anything thing that is remotely dangerous.
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How on earth, would one conflate recognizing danger and preparation for those dangers with timidity?

Sounds like leadership to me...

MM
 
AED is a great idea and everyone should carry baby aspirin as well.
 
Our club has one for use on our cruise outs. I don't believe we have had to use it to date but we do carry it.
 
If something happened to me that required an AED, I'm guessing there would be a small splash, I'd be "lost at sea" and my Admiral would find a new captain! :)
 
I have an issue with this, Having an AED is like having a set of jumper cables in the trunk and you really gas. An AED will only restart the heart in rare occasions, you need more supportive equipment if you really want to make a difference. In my field i have had numerous occasions to see a Defibrillator in action. I know from those experiences that the chance of successful conversion and revival is dependent on the items contained in the big cart that the machine sits on. (meds, intubation equipment, etc). and AED is just a bridge to advanced life support and is only effective if help arrives quickly.
 
66pony said:
I have an issue with this, Having an AED is like having a set of jumper cables in the trunk and you really gas. An AED will only restart the heart in rare occasions, you need more supportive equipment if you really want to make a difference. In my field i have had numerous occasions to see a Defibrillator in action. I know from those experiences that the chance of successful conversion and revival is dependent on the items contained in the big cart that the machine sits on. (meds, intubation equipment, etc). and AED is just a bridge to advanced life support and is only effective if help arrives quickly.
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So what do you have a issue with that may save a life?

MM
 
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I think what 66Pony has said so eloquently is that those who carry AED's are fooling yourselves into thinking it's going to save a life. Just having one on board isn't enough to save that person's life.

1. An AED will only restart the heart in rare occasions
2. You need more supportive equipment if you really want to make a difference
3. AED is just a bridge to advanced life support and is only effective if help arrives quickly

So, if you're offshore and one of your passengers has a heart attack you'll need a whole lot of other stuff (crash cart) to keep your guest alive even if you get their heart started.
 
For all the naysayers. (Which I cannot figure out for the life of me why one would want to downplay others personal attempts to provide the best is safety equipment for their onboard quests.)

“Our results were emphatically clear,” says principal investigator, Myron “Mike” L. Weisfeldt, M.D., a cardiologist at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “Good Samaritans, when given access to automated defibrillators in potentially fatal emergencies, save lives."

“This is a serious matter of public health policy and similar to previous discussions about placing fire extinguishers near building exits, wearing seat belts while driving, or manufacturing cars with airbags,” says Weisfeldt, the William Osler Professor of Medicine at Hopkins and past president of the American Heart Association (AHA). "


http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...ibrillators_are_placed_in_large_public_spaces

I would take their word over the negative comments of an internet forum...


MM
 
"Their latest findings support broad deployment of battery-powered defibrillators, known as AEDs for short, in public spaces where large gatherings occur, such as senior care facilities, hospitals, sports stadiums, community centers, shopping malls, airports, and the lobbies of large hotels and office buildings. "


I don't see where they've listed boats in the above paragraph. These are places where help is only minutes away. Large facilities with real medical professionals. That's what 66Pony was saying earlier, AED's are only a bridge to advanced life support.

"Among the bystanders who rushed to help, some were nearby police (23 percent), or health care workers (42 percent). Locations varied from sports stadiums to indoor lobbies and seniors’ housing complexes."

42% (nearly half) of the people who used the AED were medical professionals and none were skippers on a boat.

Just curious as to why you thought our comments were negative? Just because others disagree with your opinion doesn't mean their comments are negative. It's a $2000 piece of equipment which will more than likely go unused. It will need maintenance to keep it in top working order in the event it is needed. A simple 911 call will bring me plenty of medical professionals and until they arrive CPR is my best friend.
 
Woody said:
MM, if you want a tracheotomy kit and AED drop the drama and just go get them.
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I will get what I deem needed for my vessel, as should you. The drama comes from the negative posters like you...

Boater420 said:
"Their latest findings support broad deployment of battery-powered defibrillators, known as AEDs for short, in public spaces where large gatherings occur, such as senior care facilities, hospitals, sports stadiums, community centers, shopping malls, airports, and the lobbies of large hotels and office buildings. "


I don't see where they've listed boats in the above paragraph. These are places where help is only minutes away. Large facilities with real medical professionals. That's what 66Pony was saying earlier, AED's are only a bridge to advanced life support.

"Among the bystanders who rushed to help, some were nearby police (23 percent), or health care workers (42 percent). Locations varied from sports stadiums to indoor lobbies and seniors’ housing complexes."

42% (nearly half) of the people who used the AED were medical professionals and none were skippers on a boat.

Just curious as to why you thought our comments were negative? Just because others disagree with your opinion doesn't mean their comments are negative. It's a $2000 piece of equipment which will more than likely go unused. It will need maintenance to keep it in top working order in the event it is needed. A simple 911 call will bring me plenty of medical professionals and until they arrive CPR is my best friend.
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Originally many safety features were thought above the ability of common "skippers".

"Currently, Weisfeldt says, AEDs are used mostly by paramedics and other emergency medical workers who have additional training in CPR. But often, he notes, bystanders first on the scene of an emergency are available to provide life-saving aid before ambulances can arrive. "

Bystanders can save a life, including a skipper and maybe even a Gilligan. I feel it negative to tell someone that being prepared for an emergency is a waste of time. Positive would be to promote self preparedness. I would be against a law requiring AED's now but think they are a positive for those who wish to invest in them.

MM
 
MonacoMike said:
I will get what I deem needed for my vessel, as should you. The drama comes from the negative posters like you... MM
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Negative? I just encouraged you to get the trache kit and AED if you want it, that‘s negative?:huh: So are you going to ‘provide the best in safety equipment for your on board guests’ or not?

Maybe it was the word ‘drama’, did it irritate you a little? Hey, kinda like when you refer to others as negative beer guzzling Gilligans that neglect the safety of their guests by not clamoring for group buys on AED, tracheotomy kits, and supersized gauze pads.
 
MM,

With all due respect I think this thread took a turn for the worst when you opened with such a sarcastic comment about those of us without AED's just buying more beer. It was rude and offensive. You then went on to divide the group in two...The Alphas with an in charge attitude and those that call for help. The subsequent thread hi-jack where you proclaim yourself as an alpha and then link to your greatest post ever didn't help.

We're all boaters and part of the same club. We may have differing opinions on certain subjects but all in all were here to learn, have some fun, and share experiences.
 
Steve195 said:
If something happened to me that required an AED, I'm guessing there would be a small splash, I'd be "lost at sea" and my Admiral would find a new captain! :)
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Ha sounds like a plan.

And boater420
Well said
 
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Boater420 said:
MM,

With all due respect I think this thread took a turn for the worst when you opened with such a sarcastic comment about those of us without AED's just buying more beer. It was rude and offensive. You then went on to divide the group in two...The Alphas with an in charge attitude and those that call for help. The subsequent thread hi-jack where you proclaim yourself as an alpha and then link to your greatest post ever didn't help.

We're all boaters and part of the same club. We may have differing opinions on certain subjects but all in all were here to learn, have some fun, and share experiences.
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Kevin, Your description of this thread is pretty accurate. However, you have only been around here about a year. My jaded comments come from the fact that a group of the "usual suspects" generally pan above and beyond suggestions. Did you read my First aid post thread? It was a sincere attempt to remind folks to check their kit and evaluate the contents. Instead of a positive promotion of a well intended suggestion it was turned into a debate over the intricacies of what I chose to keep in my kit and if boating was even dangerous.

Happy and safe boating, MM
 
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