Caloosacaptain
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Just thought about this today: what about putting the prop under the Master bedroom bed? Seems like it would then be pretty centered on the boat and still fairly close to center of gravity?
58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread
- Thread starter Skip
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So you 58 owners...I am looking at one (2007) now. Full beam master is the 1 pro I can come up with. Cons would be having to move marinas (we love our dock neighbors). Are there any other major differences between the 500 and 58 besides "a little bigger"? I would like to use my aft storage locker with the dinghy aboard (can't on the 500) so that could be a pro, but I've managed to work around that for 5 years now. Last 2 kids are seniors now and we will be empty nesters starting August, so more size isn't necessarily needed. My 500 actually has newer electronics (an 05), fewer hours, and has been FW it's whole life. The 58 spent "some" time in SW. I've about talked myself out of it, but let me know if I am missing something. Mike
- May 16, 2019
- 1,035
- Boat Info
- 07 52 Sedan Bridge, 2019 Brig Falcon 360HT-30HP Honda, 2003 16' Dauntless
- Engines
- Cummins QSM 11 660 HP w/ ZF 325-1A
I noticed the galley sits much higher in the boat which I would like for the view while mixing drinks… The master cabin has to be the biggest bonus.
I think the larger motors (4) turbos add a good bit to the 3-5yr maintenance plans.
Caloosacaptain
Member
In my personal opinion: we went from the 44 sedan bridge to the 58. We looked at the 52 sedan bridge but essentially it did not add much room. The two guest rooms on the 52 were very small and master was still the vberth. The 58 with MAN engines runs like a champ and runs smoother and faster actually then our 44. I could go on and on, but I actually have found the 58 an easy boat to operate (although that first time behind the wheel was an eye opener how much wider and longer it is than the 44), and only took one docking to be used to it. I know your kids are seniors, but think of when they visit you or you take a family trip on the boat. They will be far more comfortable with each getting a room then on the 50. Just my two cents!
Happy shopping as it’s always fun shopping for a boat! 
Mrkingfreeze
Member
- Apr 16, 2020
- 38
- Boat Info
- 2007 Sea Ray 58 Sedan Bridge “Pocket Change”
- Engines
- MAN CRM 900
I have an ‘07 58 sb and we’re about enjoy our third season on the great lakes with it. I came from a 420 sedan bridge so never experienced the 500/52. When we set out to a grade from the 420 our plan was to get a 52 but the full beam master and overall size sold us. She’s a little thirsty at cruise, but I’ve learned where the sweet spot is and can generally plan on a 23 knot cruise burning shy of 50 gallons an hour. I’m happy we made the decision to spend a little more and upgrade to the 58.
We're closer to 60' OAL, given the anchor (which I upsized) and the big-a$$ hydraulic swim platform (with Highfield 340). Aft storage is accessible, and we can walk between transom and dinghy.
The full-beam master is good, but comes at a cost. First, there are more steps involved; 5 down from the galley to the companionway, 2 more down to the master, 2 steps back UP to the master head. We're older, and noticing stuff like that...
Also, the MANs are nice, but the V- configuration adds significant clutter to the engine room. There could be some solutions. Move the spare props to somewhere else (under the bottom bunk? home storage? replace the VacuFlush systems with electric macerating heads, and locate the props where the vacuum generators were?). Replace the inside basket-style sea strainers with exterior "South Beach" strainers and simplify the raw water hose runs.
The larger engines DO come with maintenance costs. OTOH, when you get into a boat size that needs larger engines, maintenance on similar sized engines from all the major brands (MAN, MTU, Cat, etc.) seems to be similarly more costly. FWIW, this boat would be the cat's meow with a pair of new MAN I6-800s... but they weren't invented yet when the boat was.
Getting on/off the berth in the bow stateroom is WAY more difficult than it was in our previous boat. We only notice it ourselves when making up the bed after guests depart, but what a PITA.
Some other odds and ends I could critique, but in general handling is very good, space is very good, and there are reputable systems (Grohe plumbing fixtures, Sub-Zero refrigeration, etc.). Would have made a really great 2-stateroom boat, at about 58' OAL.
-Chris
That's a thought. There's some defunct Bose stuff down there cluttering up our space, and we find that storage area to be our easiest for bedding (so would hate to lose that)... and I'm not sure there's enough height to stack the props under there...
Have to think about it...
Another idea I've had recently is to replace the VacuFlush systems with electric macerating toilets, and then maybe relocate the spare props to the platform where the vacuum generators live. Just a thought, haven't measured...
-Chris
VacuFlush to Marine Elegance?
The sales brochure for our year doesn't mention an electric macerating toilet option...
Has anyone replaced their VacuFlush systems with something decent like Raritan's Marine Elegance toilets?
If so, any hints? Where to tap into the electrical system? Et cetera?
Not a fan of VacuFlush, but I'm also wondering about reclaiming the engine room space where the vacuum generators live...
-Chris
The sales brochure for our year doesn't mention an electric macerating toilet option...
Has anyone replaced their VacuFlush systems with something decent like Raritan's Marine Elegance toilets?
If so, any hints? Where to tap into the electrical system? Et cetera?
Not a fan of VacuFlush, but I'm also wondering about reclaiming the engine room space where the vacuum generators live...
-Chris
Well, I was down there yesterday, and the props idea is a non-starter. Just from eyeballing, the vacuum generator platform isn't deep enough, might not be wide enough.
Still interested to learn if anyone has replaced their VacuFlush systems, though...
-Chris
Mrkingfreeze
Member
- Apr 16, 2020
- 38
- Boat Info
- 2007 Sea Ray 58 Sedan Bridge “Pocket Change”
- Engines
- MAN CRM 900
I see you have Starlink mobile. How’s that working for you?Also, here are a couple pics of the new captains walk completed on our property that allowed me to move it from the marina to the house full time. Next up is a complete isinglass replacement on the rear half. Other than that I have her in pretty much the shape I want her in.
Charlesoceanone
Well-Known Member
- Dec 14, 2014
- 455
- Boat Info
- 2013 58 Sedan Bridge
2021 Walker Bay LTE 11
- Engines
- Man 900
What size anchor did you move up to? I’m curious what everyone is using.
Caloosacaptain
Member
Absolutely love it! Had the old rectangular version prior that i had mounted in a dome. Switched to this when it came out. Was thrilled with both. Excellent service and actually feel like its almost faster than our home service.
Mrkingfreeze
Member
- Apr 16, 2020
- 38
- Boat Info
- 2007 Sea Ray 58 Sedan Bridge “Pocket Change”
- Engines
- MAN CRM 900
Awesome to hear! By hard mounting it to your hardtop do you have any issues getting signal? Does it have to be tilted or rotated like a dish? We’re Great Lales boaters and plan to do the North Channel of Lake Huron this summer and Starlink just seems to be a great option.Absolutely love it! Had the old rectangular version prior that i had mounted in a dome. Switched to this when it came out. Was thrilled with both. Excellent service and actually feel like it’s almost faster than our home service.
- Mar 25, 2008
- 5,524
- Boat Info
- 2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
- Engines
- MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
We have a 30 KG.
Mrkingfreeze
Member
- Apr 16, 2020
- 38
- Boat Info
- 2007 Sea Ray 58 Sedan Bridge “Pocket Change”
- Engines
- MAN CRM 900
One other question. Which Starlink subscription do you have? Is it the roam (RV) Gen2 antenna or mobility? Now they have come out with the gen 3 antenna which looks like you need to tweak the tuning with an app. I would hate to hard mount it and then find out it needs to be adjusted every time. Sorry for all the questions.Absolutely love it! Had the old rectangular version prior that i had mounted in a dome. Switched to this when it came out. Was thrilled with both. Excellent service and actually feel like its almost faster than our home service.
- Mar 25, 2008
- 5,524
- Boat Info
- 2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
- Engines
- MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
Mike,
You'll love it. We moved from a 410SD to the 58. We had a contract on a 52, but the seller backed out the night before the survey. We quickly came upon the 58 which we bought two weeks later.
The full beam master is a huge improvement. I just don't know why Sea Ray waited until the 58 to do that in that era of DB's, but I'm glad it has one.
I spent 3 hrs with the MAN dealer who serviced her and he convinced me not to be worried about the MANs - and he was right. Great engines. You won't spend much time outboard of them though, as the V config makes it tight! Probably the only real negative for me - outboard access. But no QSM hot manifold/turbo issues.
We now have a Rocna Vulcan 40 (88-lbs). We also added an Anchor Guard (something like that) from Mantus that keeps the fluke tip from pounding on the stainless breastplate. That wasn't strictly necessary but I like it better.
And we upsized the chain from 5/16" to 3/8" with Crosby shackles. And we had to replace the windlass because the PO (and maybe none of the POs) never serviced it, the motor rusted.
The original size was a 60-lb galvanized plow (stainless optional), and some genius PO had replaced that with a stainless 44-lb Delta. Doofus.
-Chris
Caloosacaptain
Member
The new generation is meant to be hard mounted and it rotates as it needs inside the unit. It always stays connected and we have never had any issues with connectivity. We have the roam subscription, but you will have to choose the mobility (i think) option for water or coastal use. I know that’s changed a little so I’ll log in and check for you. But their customer service is pretty quick at responses through the app.
Sua Sponte
Active Member
What size dome and where did you get it?
Caloosacaptain
Member
I have to check as it’s at our house in Florida, but i believe it was the KVH tv6 dome, i think 24 inches wide. However, with the new mobile unit from Starlink you no longer need the dome as i don’t believe the charges are the same for the units. It worked great the old way and works great the new way. If you have any other questions please feel free to shoot them over!
