Hopefully winters last gasp in our lovely parts of the country.
Checked the bilge and it’s a nice 45 degrees with outdoor temps around 29 so the big hunks of iron are safe
410 Sundancer/Express Cruiser and 400 Sundancer/Express Cruiser **Official Thread**
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Hopefully winters last gasp in our lovely parts of the country.
Checked the bilge and it’s a nice 45 degrees with outdoor temps around 29 so the big hunks of iron are safe
Anybody have a source for the diamondplate steps in the pic below? Previous owner had them taken out and now that I'm getting up there in age its getting to be more of a PITA getting in and out of the bilge.
Diamond plates can easily be fabricated. Looking more for the folding mount that rests on the stringer and the mount that attaches the diamondplate to the V-drive..
FYI: Not my engine bay. My OCD wouldn't allow such a filthy travesty.
Diamond plates can easily be fabricated. Looking more for the folding mount that rests on the stringer and the mount that attaches the diamondplate to the V-drive..
FYI: Not my engine bay. My OCD wouldn't allow such a filthy travesty.
- Jun 5, 2016
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- 410 Sundancer
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12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
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You can buy it online or Mcmaster Carr. I think these are aluminum. There is some rectangular bracing on the underside thats likely necessary.
- Jun 5, 2016
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Around here we don't get worried until we get several days in the single digits. Water acts as a big heater (even cold water).
Yup. That's easily sourced. Thanks. What I'm really looking for is the bracing/mounting hardware that attaches them to the V-drive and to the stringer. Fabricating those are beyond my expertise.
- Jun 5, 2016
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The bracing underneath is 1x2 aluminum and at least the middle one is screwed strait into the stringer. I’d just line the up and drill new holes in the aluminum.
As far as the hardware to mount on the transmission…don’t know.
- Jun 5, 2016
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Ill post up a few pics next time up.
Kurt Katterhenry
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- Mar 7, 2022
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- 41 Express 2003
Brig 310 20hp Tohatsu
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- 450 Cummins
Skuza
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1998 400DA Cabin door upper tracks-the ones for the top sliding section. Are they still available? The last time we did them was probably 10 years ago or more and could still get them. If not what are the options? One side has a groove to hold the rollers and the other side is just the L shaped cover.
- Jun 5, 2016
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- 410 Sundancer
2001
12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
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www.flounderpounder.com makes them
ChalupaBatman25
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I got around to adding an anchor washdown this past weekend. For anyone else that doesn't have this option from the factory you can tee into the fresh water supply behind the shower. From there it's a simple run straight forward to the anchor locker. Here's the parts I used.
20' of 15mm tubing - https://www.fawcettboat.com/products/wws-wx7162b
15mm tee conector - https://www.fawcettboat.com/products/wws-wx1502b
15mm to 1/2 adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YI8I59I?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
hose bib w/ flange - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C6L9NW5N?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
for the hose bib mount I used part of a 1/2 thick cutting board and some stainless angle brackets from the hardware store
20' of 15mm tubing - https://www.fawcettboat.com/products/wws-wx7162b
15mm tee conector - https://www.fawcettboat.com/products/wws-wx1502b
15mm to 1/2 adapter - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YI8I59I?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
hose bib w/ flange - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C6L9NW5N?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
for the hose bib mount I used part of a 1/2 thick cutting board and some stainless angle brackets from the hardware store
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landshark shower beers. Nice
Stee6043
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Looks good. It's interesting to see how different the head layout is between the 400/410.
While you're in the anchor locker, fix up a way to hang your hose neatly (if you haven't already). I can't tell you how many times I've had my hose get stuck under just enough anchor chain to induce significant bitching whilst removing it.
TheBobC
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- Sep 21, 2017
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- 1999 400 DA
Garmin 1242xsv, 742xs, Fantom 24 Radar
Highfield 10.2 Tender w/Tohatsu 9.9
- Engines
- Cat 3116
Last weekend, we returned from our weekend outing and it seems I neglected to switch over to shore power. Thankfully, I went back to the boat on Wednesday to do a couple things and discovered my mistake. The result was a dead starboard bank of batteries (2). The port batteries and gennie battery were fine. What surprised me was when I tried to start the starboard engines with the emergency start switch, it would click, but not turn over. I waited 30 mins for charging the sb batteries on the charger, and it would turn over slowly but not start. Went back a few days later and all was back to normal. My question is about the emergency start...on my previous 340, I had to use it a couple of times and it worked well. Maybe i just never had a completely dead bank of batteries. Should it start with only one good bank, or does a dead bank draw it down too far? Just want to know if a have a problematic solenoid before it happens when I am not at the dock.
It should start on a completely dead battery bank. I think @dtfeld just replaced that solenoid, that’s probably the issue. You could see if you’re getting 12 V on the post while someone presses the button.
Stee6043
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Did you have the port motor running when you tried it, or did you just hit the switch and crank starboard?
- Jun 5, 2016
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Edit...
Not sure if your heard the emergency start solenoid click or the engine solenoid. You'll have to clarify.
Even if your emergency start system is working, you are basically combining a 100% bank and a 0%, that combined, really just a larger mostly dead battery. I regularly see 100+A draw and a large voltage drop when starting from good batteries with the charger going full blast. Assuming older batteries, likely didn't have the energy to start these CAT's, they demand a lot from the start batteries.
The other issue is why they drained down (besides no charger attached). Did you leave the starboard solenoid on? There are some hardwired things on both sides, but nothing that would normally drain those batteries in a couple days. Something must have been left on, or is running (Bilge pumps for example) or the batteries are old and needed replacement anyway. Unfortunately draining them down to 0 isn't good for longevity.
TheBobC
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- Sep 21, 2017
- 82
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- 1999 400 DA
Garmin 1242xsv, 742xs, Fantom 24 Radar
Highfield 10.2 Tender w/Tohatsu 9.9
- Engines
- Cat 3116
Yes, I know it is really bad for batteries to drain to nothing. Biggest draw was likely the refrigerator. To Stee's question, I did both. I started the port engine, ran it for a minute, then hit the emergency start button to start the sb engine. When not much happened, I shut down the port engine so i could hear things. I tried again and heard the click when pushing the button (solenoid) and another click (but nothing else) when pushing the sb start button. Tried again after 30 mins on battery charger and got a couple revolutions of slow turnover, but no start. Had to leave, so buttoned up. When returning the next day, all normal. Again, just trying to solve for whether it "should" have started with a completely dead sb bank on the emergency switch.
- Jun 5, 2016
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- 410 Sundancer
2001
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Given a completely dead and a less that fresh other bank, no. My understanding of the emergency start system is intended to get you going after your at the sandbar and run one bank to 50%. However, I was advised to never start unless you have shore power/generator powering the charger. Once your off the shore power, the generator battery charger is your "jump starter" of last resort.
I assume that you left the DC power on, hence the fridge was on? I usually turn the DC power off, the critical DC systems like the bilge pumps are "always on".
I assume that you left the DC power on, hence the fridge was on? I usually turn the DC power off, the critical DC systems like the bilge pumps are "always on".
I do the same. I kill the DC solenoids completely when we leave and run the fridge, battery chargers, and port side outlets (for our security cameras)
