2000/2001 380DA thoughts, opinions, reviews

Not even in the same league……………ln '05, the 2360DA was a warmed over 340. The early ones didn't sell well because the ability to store one requiires a wet slip because most dry stack marinas couldn't handle the weight/length of t he 360-DA. This meant selling one created a chasm for a salesman to work over, i.e teaching a smaller boat ownerto move up to aboat that had to be stored in a wet slip, bottom jobs, hurricane plans, insuring a boat in a hurricane zone, keeping the hull clean, and all the added overhead that goes with bigger boats. FOr a long time, this also affected used demand for 360's and surpassed prices…….

I honestly don't know if that still is a driver for demand and supressed prices or not. This was always a low demand model in our area and the dealer only sold 2 and we haven't had one in the marina except for a transient in for service in several years.

I would suggest you rank your needs in the next boat by proiority and stop looking for boat already docked in your preferred marina. Honestly, keeping up with your we boat search is like keeping up with a male bulldog we had several years ago……..any time a female dog came by he was gone………….
 
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Thanks @fwebster, I like the way you said "warm over 340" and how it requires a wet slip. I now recall looking at one 3 years ago and felt the same. My needs are ranked :) was just curious when I saw it pop in my search yesterday, and getting frustrated with the broker on the diesel 380. Seems he does not "work" weekends as he is now replying to my communications.

Your bulldog comment is spot on, however, have you tried to purchase a boat in this COVID market? It's not the market we are used to. :)
 
You could have bought one of those Great Lake 400/410's I shared with you back in December and had it shipped to Virginia by now for less than $162k :)
 
mrsrobinson said:
I will be passing on this diesel one. Sellers want full price with me paying for the recommended maintenance from the mechanical survey, which are estimated at $12,000. Unless someone disagrees with me, I don't see this as a $162k boat.
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Are using a broker or sales guys to help you find a boat?…. Most boats don’t hit the market
 
Stee6043 said:
You could have bought one of those Great Lake 400/410's I shared with you back in December and had it shipped to Virginia by now for less than $162k :)
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400/410 is more boat then I need, happy with what I see in the 380.
Stee6043 said:
You could have bought one of those Great Lake 400/410's I shared with you back in December and had it shipped to Virginia by now for less than $162k :)
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True, but then I'd be back home with a gas 380.

Blueone said:
Are using a broker or sales guys to help you find a boat?…. Most boats don’t hit the market
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Sales guy/buyers broker and on my own in some cases. If I see one I like I will call him to check on it for me. I have learned some sellers broker don't like to work with another broker though.

It's my opinion the owners of this 380 diesel bought it, as first time boat owners, failed to check the mechanical history and/or get documentation, and immediately started doing the pretty/cosmetic updates. Upholstery, canvas, isinglass, hull and top sides detailing, etc. Then they were told "$12 - 15k" to get the mechanicals up to date, so they decided to sell. And in this COVID crazy market they are going for top dollar. Surveyor told me the rub rail is pretty beat up, which confirms first time boaters :)
 
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mrsrobinson said:
I will be passing on this diesel one. Sellers want full price with me paying for the recommended maintenance from the mechanical survey, which are estimated at $12,000. Unless someone disagrees with me, I don't see this as a $162k boat.
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You can buy a Gas 380 with almost everything updated for a lot less than $160,000.
 
I don't know what advice to give you. Gas generators scare me. And all I know is when I've had gas powered boats I was stressed out about the fuel burn. 30-34+ gph at marina gas prices made me think about every trip I wanted to make. Even the 30 min ride to the restaurant with 454/8.1s made me think twice.

The sub 450 hp diesels, especially the 6BTA Cummins, smaller 3208, Yanmars and the 3116/3126 variations just sip fuel. A 38/40/41 will be in that 22-24knt range at about 22-24 gph TOTAL. Man, it's just too good to pass up. Safety, speed, maintenance is simple (oil changes and an occasional after cooler and heat exchanger cleaning) and the resale.

Are you in brackish or fresh water? If so the after cooler and heat exchanger requirements just got pushed out an extra year....or 3.
 
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Someone buy that man a digital camera! It looks like he's using a Motorola Startac to snap pics for his listings :)
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Haha, I told Jay the same, I thought they were Sea Ray ad pics from 2000 :)

SeaNile said:
I don't know what advice to give you. Gas generators scare me. And all I know is when I've had gas powered boats I was stressed out about the fuel burn. 30-34+ gph at marina gas prices made me think about every trip I wanted to make. Even the 30 min ride to the restaurant with 454/8.1s made me think twice.

The sub 450 hp diesels, especially the 6BTA Cummins, smaller 3208, Yanmars and the 3116/3126 variations just sip fuel. A 38/40/41 will be in that 22-24knt range at about 22-24 gph TOTAL. Man, it's just too good to pass up. Safety, speed, maintenance is simple (oil changes and an occasional after cooler and heat exchanger cleaning) and the resale.

Are you in brackish or fresh water? If so the after cooler and heat exchanger requirements just got pushed out an extra year....or 3.
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I hear you. Gas genny does not concern me. I rarely use a genny and never overnight. Like you, for long cruises, when I had the 7.4s before I too stressed out about fuel burn, and sometimes took a shorter trip, or no trip because of it. I also worried about breakdowns, which occurred often enough.

Yes, the diesel boat is in brackish water. I am having a difficult time walking away from it. Basically about $15k apart on price, which is the budget to get the engines up to date on service.

Tried to negotiate more with the diesel 380 by coming up on my offer. Seller thinks the boat is worth $150k (even with no documented service history and the engine survey showing it needs work) in it's current state because it has a new transmission, newer isinglass/upholstery and one new fuel tank. Fuel tank was replaced (on recommendation from their mechanic) because they saw a small amount of diesel in the bilge one day. I said thanks and good luck.

I saw the invoice for the new V-Drive and was surprised. In all my years of boating I never had a v-drive issue or heard of one needing replacement. Makes me wonder how the boat was operated.
 
I mean where you boat. Will you be in fresh or brackish water? If so thats very favorable for the maintenance of the after coolers and heat exchangers.

Do you have the list of items that need to be done? Did you list them above somewhere? 12-15k in preventative maintenance work on a 3116/3126 seems like a lot to me. Unless the turbos get involved. They can be costly!
 
By the way, I don't come hear to complain, growl, fuss, brag, etc. I view the site as a bunch of old salts (I am old) sitting around their boats at the dock just talking, some with a beer in their hand. At the end of the day this one is my decision, I value the amazing feedback I get from all of you. I learn a lot with almost every post/reply.
 
For the diesel gents: would any of the items listed above keep you from running the boat in open water (Chesapeake Bay) for 4+ hours to bring it home? Or would you leave it where it is and do some of the work done before moving it? If the latter, which work is the highest priority?
 
Nope………after a current hull and mechanical survey to verify the engine cool properly and the oil and coolant samples show normal results and nothing wierd like sea water in the oil, oil in the coolant, no high metals in the oil, no coolant in the oil, etc.. I would also run the boat at reduced loading rpm (rpms at 2000- 2200 rpm) and watch the temps.

You also need to be sure you have spare Cat filters and 2 sets of Racors onboard.
 
Thanks @fwebster, what filters, remembering diesels are new to me. I will Google what Racors are.

So, I am hearing the service can be delayed, but get to it soon once you get it home, correct?

Thanks
 
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I'd also think you can get it home safely. As Frank mentioned, make sure nothing catastrophic is wrong with the engines before heading out. Then take it easy on the engines and get the boat to your home port. From there you can look around for the right mechanic to perform the required maintenance and repairs.
 
Which boat did you agree to terms on?

mrsrobinson said:
I am happy to report we've reached an agreed price. Seller agreed to reduce the price by the total cost of the estimate from the shop that did the engine surveys. I do not have to pay for engine surveys or sea trial and survey as well so I feel like it's a win-win for both of us. I plan to get oil samples and do a sea trial and ask the surveyor to do a quick look over the boat to make sure everything still checks out.

I greatly appreciate all of the amazing valuable feedback from each of you. Hoping to be back in the Sea Ray family soon.
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mrsrobinson said:
I am happy to report we've reached an agreed price. Seller agreed to reduce the price by the total cost of the estimate from the shop that did the engine surveys. I do not have to pay for engine surveys or sea trial and survey as well so I feel like it's a win-win for both of us. I plan to get oil samples and do a sea trial and ask the surveyor to do a quick look over the boat to make sure everything still checks out.

I greatly appreciate all of the amazing valuable feedback from each of you. Hoping to be back in the Sea Ray family soon.
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How'd you manage to avoid the survey (at your expense)? Are you using an old one? Your insurance company may require one with your name on it. You may want to confirm...
 
The diesel one.

Surveyor said I could use his survey, he needs to see the boat again, do sea trial, and will charge me a minimum fee to do another one for me. It was done 11/1/2021, same time the engine surveys were done. Hours have not changed since.
 
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The diesel one.

Surveyor said I could use his survey, he needs to see the boat again, do sea trial, and will charge me a minimum fee to do another one for me. It was done 11/1/2021, same time the engine surveys were done. Hours have not changed since.
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nice! Not sure if your filter question got answered above. I'd consider changing the racor filter elements before you head out unless they've been recently changed and documented, then I would carry two more spare elements. They're the first fuel filter in the path from tank to engine and usually mounted on the transom behind each engine. If those clog up (can happen easier than you might think if there's gunk in the tank that gets stirred up) the engine will starve for fuel and eventually stall. You also want a 1 gallon can of fresh clean diesel to fill the racor up in the event you do need to change the element. Racor filter element PN should be 2010PM-OR (if you choose the 30 micron flavor like many of us do)

I would also carry the Caterpillar secondary spin-on fuel filter, two of them, as an extra precaution.
 
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