460 DA Owners Thread

I am thinking f buying a 460 Sundancer 2001. I currently have a 340 Dancer. the boat I am looking a has 8.1 Cummings 430 hp (600 Hours) and a hard top, both of which affect running angle from the reviews I have read. I am concerned about running angle when on plane. my 340 planes off an rides fairly level without much rim tab. The 460 rode bow high without any tabs, they weren't working (low fluid, an issue that needs to be resolved). Anything else as owners you have noticed or things I should be aware of? I will be having a Hull and Engine Survey Done as I think that is a goo idea.
 
I came from a 330 Sundancer with BIII's and 454's to my 460 and, yes, it doesn't feel like it comes out of the water as flat. But the 460 is 3x the weight! I recently upgraded to 250' of chain and now my bow stays down nicely! :) Honestly, with working tabs you should not notice the running angle difference. Do you know about the cored sides on the earlier vessels? Also, I don't have a platform lift, so that will make a difference I'm sure.
Good luck with the purchase! These are wonderful boats!
PS-I did most of my boating on the Fox river and Lake Winnebago. Cheesehead through and through!
 
We have another 460DA coming to our club. One member just closed the deal on one and is heading to Newport Beach with a seasoned member to run it up the coast. Wish I had time off to run with them! His is a 2005 with a blue hull.
 
HUMPH said:
We have another 460DA coming to our club. One member just closed the deal on one and is heading to Newport Beach with a seasoned member to run it up the coast. Wish I had time off to run with them! His is a 2005 with a blue hull.
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Lucky Man! I love my 460, but my wife has lost interest and I may have to sell my boat. Keep that in mind Humph!
 
Carpedmman said:
Lucky Man! I love my 460, but my wife has lost interest and I may have to sell my boat. Keep that in mind Humph!
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Lost interest already? That sucks! I have my eye on a particular 560DB but that may not be for a few years.....hmmmmm.
 
Thanks for the info. I did know about the cored sides and from the serial number, it doesn't have it. We are taking it for test ride again this weekend (with the working tabs). hopefully that resolves my concern. I understand the boat is 3 times the weight. It does have Chain Rode like you mentioned but sitting I captains seat it was hard to see the water horizon on the left side of the bow. any worriers or issues with the Cummins 430hp 8.3 engines? oil samples are sent in, so I will see what that reports I anything.
 
BoatingB said:
Thanks for the info. I did know about the cored sides and from the serial number, it doesn't have it. We are taking it for test ride again this weekend (with the working tabs). hopefully that resolves my concern. I understand the boat is 3 times the weight. It does have Chain Rode like you mentioned but sitting I captains seat it was hard to see the water horizon on the left side of the bow. any worriers or issues with the Cummins 430hp 8.3 engines? oil samples are sent in, so I will see what that reports I anything.
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Another good test ride should solidify your feelings about the vessel. I always push the tabs down for 20 seconds before giving the throttle. She comes up very easy and around 1800-1900rpms you hear the wonderful whirl of the turbos and then keep going to 2300rpm and you should be moving along at about 24-25 knots depending upon water, load, temp. Once cruising I slowly adjust the tabs up 23-4seconds per push until I feel it is "right". I also have the Smartcraft to help me with my GPH. I'm 6'3" and never lose sight of the horizon while sitting down.

The 6CTA's are good solid mechanical motors. The water pumps are a bit crappy-I changed one of mine out to a revised version out of California.
Good luck on the purchase!
 
I am 6'1" ad couldn't see the left side of bow sitting in the captains seat. if I was on the bolster of the seat I could. That is why I was surprised of the ride angle. hopefully with working tabs all will be good.

Looking forward to a positive ride, an joining the 460 group officially. this will be my 4th Sea Ray in 20 years, all Dancers, 270, 300, 340, and now 460.
 
Ok 460 owners, here is a battery question for you all. I have the standard two 8Ds for start and house. The batteries are wet, fine on fluid. I can get about 7-8 hrs use before the CO2 detectors start going off indicating a drop in voltage. What have other people done to rectify this issue. I run the genie about 60-70% of the time just so I can have more juice for the TV, refrigerator and lights. I'm thinking new batteries, but it seems premature.
thoughts?
 
Carpedmman said:
Ok 460 owners, here is a battery question for you all. I have the standard two 8Ds for start and house. The batteries are wet, fine on fluid. I can get about 7-8 hrs use before the CO2 detectors start going off indicating a drop in voltage. What have other people done to rectify this issue. I run the genie about 60-70% of the time just so I can have more juice for the TV, refrigerator and lights. I'm thinking new batteries, but it seems premature.
thoughts?
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I have the same setup on mine and since replacing the house side battery I've been fairly happy with the performance. I haven't been confident to push my luck but I get an overnight 8-9 hours comfortably running both fridges. I would like to add batteries but don't really have the space.

Paul
 
sweet said:
I have the same setup on mine and since replacing the house side battery I've been fairly happy with the performance. I haven't been confident to push my luck but I get an overnight 8-9 hours comfortably running both fridges. I would like to add batteries but don't really have the space.

Paul
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Hello Paul-
Thanks for responding. I wonder if the 48DA is set up differently than the 46DA because the 460 has two 8Ds that start AND act as house batteries. So in essence, they are required to do two jobs-Start and deep cycle. If I'm not mistaken, this is a tough job to do. I wish there was a way to split them up and have one battery a starting battery and the other a deep cycle House battery. unfortunately that set up would have its' own set of limitations.
 
As far as I'm aware they setup is the same? My port battery starts the port engine, generator and runs all the downstairs house, starboard starts the starboard engine and runs all the switches controlled at the dash (including lights). Before I changed out the port battery for a new one I would have to use the emergency start switch to bridge the battery banks so I could start the generator after an overnight.

A friend of mine also has a 48DA and he has rewired his so that one side of batteries starts both engines, another battery is just for the generator and the last side is just house (two 8D deep cycle batteries). I think that work took a marine electrician about a day?

Paul
 
Carpedmman said:
Ok 460 owners, here is a battery question for you all. I have the standard two 8Ds for start and house. The batteries are wet, fine on fluid. I can get about 7-8 hrs use before the CO2 detectors start going off indicating a drop in voltage. What have other people done to rectify this issue. I run the genie about 60-70% of the time just so I can have more juice for the TV, refrigerator and lights. I'm thinking new batteries, but it seems premature.
thoughts?
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Hi

I fitted two 230 Amp Hour wet batteries where the two original batteries were, I linked them together to effectively give me 12 volts and 460 amp hours. I then extended the battery tray and mounted a slightly smaller (190 amp hour I think) battery across the engine bay, it clears the ladder by a few inches and this third battery is the Starter only battery. The two 230 amp hour batteries are for Starboard engine (I think) and the house batteries.

We need to run the generator for 3.5 - 4 hours a day to keep everything good when we are on the anchor for 2 weeks at a time. We run two refridgerators and everything else we need and seldom go below 75% on the house batteries. We usually run the gennie for an hour in the morning while making coffee etc, and a couple of hours in the evening, air con and everything else runs during this time, and we always have plenty of hot water with this charging regime. If we are away from the boat swimming or shopping ashore during the day, we will leave the genset running then as well for about an hour.

If we are due back into a Marina with shorepower or are travelling up to 100 miles and charging from the alternators, we often go 24 hours without charge and still only get down to about 65% capacity still in the batteries.

I have a Victron Battery Monitor, see here; http://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/victr...erybank.html?gclid=COf8uNqLoMICFRHHtAodLCMAmw and this makes it all very easy understand and gives information that makes power management very efficent. We have LED bulbs in all light fittings.

Graham
 
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Graham Lorimer said:
Hi

I fitted two 230 Amp Hour wet batteries where the two original batteries were, I linked them together to effectively give me 12 volts and 460 amp hours. I then extended the battery tray and mounted a slightly smaller (190 amp hour I think) battery across the engine bay, it clears the ladder by a few inches and this third battery is the Starter only battery. The two 230 amp hour batteries are for Starboard engine (I think) and the house batteries.

We need to run the generator for 3.5 - 4 hours a day to keep everything good when we are on the anchor for 2 weeks at a time. We run two refridgerators and everything else we need and seldom go below 75% on the house batteries. We usually run the gennie for an hour in the morning while making coffee etc, and a couple of hours in the evening, air con and everything else runs during this time, and we always have plenty of hot water with this charging regime. If we are away from the boat swimming or shopping ashore during the day, we will leave the genset running then as well for about an hour.

If we are due back into a Marina with shorepower or are travelling up to 100 miles and charging from the alternators, we often go 24 hours without charge and still only get down to about 65% capacity still in the batteries.

I have a Victron Battery Monitor, see here; http://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/victr...erybank.html?gclid=COf8uNqLoMICFRHHtAodLCMAmw and this makes it all very easy understand and gives information that makes power management very efficent. We have LED bulbs in all light fittings.

Graham
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Thanks Graham! That is a very interesting set-up. I appreciate your help with this deficiency in the set-up of this, and other, Sea Rays.

Cheers!
Stuart
 
Hello all! It has been a while, life has been a bit crazy. I hope all is well with everyone and good to see the 460 forum is alive and well. Mine being under wraps right now, does anyone have the measurements of the transom storage hatch? I need to replace the vinyl name and would like to fit it on the door. Does anyone have the dimensions?

Thanks!
 
Here are the basic dimensions of the lettering I ordered via eBay a couple months ago....the single-word name fit well. 6" x 36" CUSTOM MADE TRANSOM BOAT NAME VINYL DECAL LETTERING W/ PORT OF CALL
 
Just measured mine. 20H x 50W. From the grab rail to the bottom is 17 inches. From the grab rail to the hatch release fittings is
13 1/2 inches. I am guessing you would need something less than the 13 1/2 high and a bit less than the 50 wide. Hope this helps.

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