Where is Scooter Wayne?

GFC, I'm glad you wrote. Let be a learning experience to everyone. And with out going back to read of the journey, it was a Bayliner correct?:wow:
 
Gofirstclass said:
To clarify what Wayne is referring to:

When I volunteered early this past summer to help a CSR member take a boat from Lake Union in Seattle down to Stockton, CA one of the things we discussed by phone prior to the trip was safety gear. The boat owner assured me (and the other person who had also volunteered to help) that he was going to rent a 4-person life raft for the trip, then return it via truck freight to Seattle when we had reached Stockton.

During the pre-departure discussions I should have asked to see the life raft, but didn't because of the excitement/confusion prior to the next morning's departure My bad.

At some point near the end of the trip, or maybe at the end, the topic of the life raft came up. The boat owner admitted that he had not rented the life raft because (paraphrasing his words) it was too expensive to return it and too much of a hassle.

Both the other volunteer and I felt we'd been lied to and had we known before we departed that there was no life raft, neither of us would have made the trip. To be out on the ocean for several days without a means of saving one's life (IMHO) far outweighs the inconvenience and hassle of returning the lift raft after the trip.

I made mention on CSR of my disappointment and frustration with having been lied to (a lie can be withholding pertinent information as well as giving false information) about the life raft. The other volunteer and I discussed this at length following the trip and I feel confident we both feel the same way. Both of us agreed that we'd make a similar trip together at any time in the future because we trusted each other's judgment but that neither of us would ever take a trip with that boat owner again.

So that's what Wayne is referring to. He apparently feels that by me airing my dirty laundry on CSR I stabbed the boat owner in the back.

Sorry Wayne, but the owner's failure to rent the life raft because it would have inconvenienced him and cost him a few bucks is one thing. Failing to disclose to us that he'd chosen not to rent the life raft and giving us the choice to opt out of the trip was another issue. Both of which, in my mind, were very serious breaches of ethics. I stand by my earlier decision to air my dirty laundry so that others might learn from my failure to ask about the life raft prior to departing.

LTD330, thank you for your comments.
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So, is this owner the 'Stuart' guy that Wayne mentioned?
 
Interesting thread and so much attention as well. But as to the OP’s original question I would be more concerned about where have all the people that actually posting useful boating information have gone!
 
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sdarc, yes, though I don't see where that has a bearing on what happened. It wasn't the boat, it was the person.

Woody, yes, but I was not going to bring his name into this thread.
 
Gofirstclass said:
To clarify what Wayne is referring to:

When I volunteered early this past summer to help a CSR member take a boat from Lake Union in Seattle down to Stockton, CA one of the things we discussed by phone prior to the trip was safety gear. The boat owner assured me (and the other person who had also volunteered to help) that he was going to rent a 4-person life raft for the trip, then return it via truck freight to Seattle when we had reached Stockton.

During the pre-departure discussions I should have asked to see the life raft, but didn't because of the excitement/confusion prior to the next morning's departure My bad.

At some point near the end of the trip, or maybe at the end, the topic of the life raft came up. The boat owner admitted that he had not rented the life raft because (paraphrasing his words) it was too expensive to return it and too much of a hassle.

Both the other volunteer and I felt we'd been lied to and had we known before we departed that there was no life raft, neither of us would have made the trip. To be out on the ocean for several days without a means of saving one's life (IMHO) far outweighs the inconvenience and hassle of returning the lift raft after the trip.

I made mention on CSR of my disappointment and frustration with having been lied to (a lie can be withholding pertinent information as well as giving false information) about the life raft. The other volunteer and I discussed this at length following the trip and I feel confident we both feel the same way. Both of us agreed that we'd make a similar trip together at any time in the future because we trusted each other's judgment but that neither of us would ever take a trip with that boat owner again.

So that's what Wayne is referring to. He apparently feels that by me airing my dirty laundry on CSR I stabbed the boat owner in the back.

Sorry Wayne, but the owner's failure to rent the life raft because it would have inconvenienced him and cost him a few bucks is one thing. Failing to disclose to us that he'd chosen not to rent the life raft and giving us the choice to opt out of the trip was another issue. Both of which, in my mind, were very serious breaches of ethics. I stand by my earlier decision to air my dirty laundry so that others might learn from my failure to ask about the life raft prior to departing.

LTD330, thank you for your comments.
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Somehow I missed this in your write up of the trip. I agree with you, the owner was wrong and should have never put you in that position. On my trip North, the $$$ spent on safety gear was more than the hired help and fuel COMBINED. The captain that I hired to assist me looked at EVERY piece of gear on board and inspected every expiration date and document. You cannot be too safe when you are out of sight of land, big seas, winds...etc.
 
GFC I know. Poor attempt at humor at Wayne's expense knowing he is a card carrying BOC member. Sorry to all. I'll but out now. I rarely get involved in these soap operas and now you know why.
 
Gofirstclass said:
sdarc, yes, though I don't see where that has a bearing on what happened. It wasn't the boat, it was the person.

Woody, yes, but I was not going to bring his name into this thread.
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I got it now. They way I read it, it sounded like he was defending some one he knew, first name basis and all that.
Summer Fun II said:
It does when you back stab a friend. :smt021 Just do a search about Stuart's trip.
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6-10 inches of snow tonight and sleet coming down. Gas is $3.29 in town. Have no Christmas shopping done yet. Wifes getting her hair done now. Going "blonder" for my Christmas party Saturday night. I might get lucky.
 
searay40dad said:
6-10 inches of snow tonight and sleet coming down. Gas is $3.29 in town. Have no Christmas shopping done yet. Wifes getting her hair done now. Going "blonder" for my Christmas party Saturday night. I might get lucky.
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Good Luck Tim!
 
I've said enough about that trip and IMHO this thread could be locked and nobody would miss a thing. I have no personal animosity toward Wayne, but then, I don't know him and that is subject to change. For now, I'll just kick back and continue to drain my Corona.
 
Now if one only had any idea of who the "Stuart" is who is mentioned within this thread, or at least a link about this trip which is mentioned?
 
Thanks, nice thread and maybe I missed it, but what type of boat was it? It sure looks nice from the outside.
 
well I am currently in time out on two other boating forums....

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But I did that on purpose to 'prove a point'.
 
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