MM.
....Sorry. forgot to add " IMHO"
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Hey that is my saying (Grin)
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MM.
....Sorry. forgot to add " IMHO"
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You're telling me no one learned anything? I know I learned a lot in this thread.
11.5.5.2 Grounded Neutral - A grounded neutral system is required. The neutral for AC power sources shall be grounded only at the following points:
11.5.5.2.3 The generator neutral shall be grounded at the generator.
11.5.5.6.1 Transfer of Power - The transfer of power to a circuit from one source to another shall be madeby a means that opens all current-carrying conductors, including neutrals, before closing the alternatesource circuit, to maintain isolation of power sources.
Regarding portable generators not tying neutral to ground, this could be the smoking gun Turtle has been needing.
Can anyone with a portable generator and the schematics confirm this?
. MM doesn't seem to like what I consider to be new information presented (that is an attempt at a humorous little dig MM, no offense!), but it was intended to be relevant and cause intelligent discussion, which it seemed to accomplish.
This is why we have absorbers in the bilge, to soak it up so it doesn't get dumped overboard. The Honda doesn't have a way to trap or catch it.
While all marketing materials are not loaded with marine use references they are there.Click on the video called recreational generators.http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/videogallery/No offense taken nor given. As said by others a keyboard is a inadequate medium to express oneself and debate. I have always believed the best is born from the forge of spirited debate and analysis. So in that spirit weigh in on these points. MM
1. Is there a portable generator Coast Guard approved?
a. With a proper fuel system?
b. With a proper exhaust system?
c. With a proper ignition protected electrical system?
2. I agree there appears to be no out and out prohibition on their use. If there was many work and industrial on water uses on work barges would not be allowed.
3. We are discussing recreation uses in proximity of others with children and other untrained people near.
4. There is a difference between marine and portable generators. See sub points in #1. If there is no difference the folks that bought a marine unit got ripped off.
5. Why do the manufactures not promote there use on a boat?
While all marketing materials are not loaded with marine use references they are there.Click on the video called recreational generators.http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/videogallery/
While all marketing materials are not loaded with marine use references they are there.Click on the video called recreational generators.http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/videogallery/
Woody,
You are correct!! I like how they say " Great for tail-gating, camping, RVing and more". When they make the "and more" statement they show a couple loading the generator onto a boat!! So without openly stating it, they certainly are inferring that it is good for boat use too!
They must not want it in writing. Any comments on the other points? MM
That's because of the "inverter technology". In other applications or generators, to get UL approval the neutral and ground must be bonded at the power source...which would be a generator...as I understand it. The same applies for our inverters for rv's. There is a neutral/ground bonding relay that gets energized when inverting and opens when transferring gen or shore power, which is why folks have to be careful of what inverter or gen they connect the boat to....again...as I understand it.From my Honda EU2000i manual on page 17:
"Honda portable generators have a system ground that connects generator frame components to the ground terminals in the AC output receptacles. The system ground is not connected to the AC neutral wire. If the generator is tested by a receptacle tester, it will not show the same ground circuit condition as for a home receptacle."
Thats where I got my gen. Bigblock!!:thumbsup:
I was wondering why a guy would wish for green balls.........sounds unsettling to say the least!