Guns in Canada

spikedaddy99 said:
Jesus...I just wanted to keep my pistol on my boat when I go to Canada in July. I worry about pirates trying to board in Lake Michigan. You guys have gone rogue...:cool:
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Oh you haven’t dealt with wakeboarders or party boats on the Chesapeake. Forget pistols, you need an M60 and torpedoes.
And sailboats, nuclear arms required.
And those guys that lay crab pots in the channels, ok, now the shat is on!
Skybolt! You can be my wingman!
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Pirate Lady said:
Oh you haven’t dealt with wakeboarders or party boats on the Chesapeake. Forget pistols, you need an M60 and torpedoes.
And sailboats, nuclear arms required.
And those guys that lay crab pots in the channels, ok, now the shat is on!
Skybolt! You can be my wingman!
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I used to be on the Rappahannock River...
 
Pirate Lady said:
Oh you haven’t dealt with wakeboarders or party boats on the Chesapeake. Forget pistols, you need an M60 and torpedoes.
And sailboats, nuclear arms required.
And those guys that lay crab pots in the channels, ok, now the shat is on!
Skybolt! You can be my wingman!
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I just say nuke'em all! Such a PITA! I think I'd prefer pirates, at least I can deal with them.

You can be mine ... :p
 
C'mon guys we all know how I can derail a thread, right?

Although I am not sure it was me this time.
 
keokie said:
Interesting thread. A pretty good read in my opinion.

A few of my thoughts:

- Hitler was elected by a population that immediately became defenseless against him... in significant part because they were unarmed.

- Rebels in what became America overthrew the world's largest super power at the time. They brought their guns to Bunker Hill.

- The idea that 1-6 was an insurrection has always been absolutely laugh out loud funny to me.

- The prosecution of those who protested as "insurrectionists" brings me to tears. It also terrifies me. I'm shocked the courts have allowed this to take place.

- It is pretty noteworthy that the citizens involved in this "insurrection" in a country with an incredibly well-armed citizenry... didn't think they would need a any of their guns to violently overthrow the world's greatest super power. Yep, they came to D.C. with no weapons all, and expected storming into the capital and turning over Nancy Pelosi's lectern would topple the government.

- I have no idea what would happen if there were a real insurrection in the U.S. I certainly hope it won't happen in the lifetime of myself or anyone I love. It's hard to see how the government could maintain any real level of order over an honestly unwilling population. It's also hard to see how any other government could rise up. And even if it did, it could likely be more tyrannical. Mostly, I think the fight would lead to mass chaos and suffering of the likes this country has never seen including the Civil War.

- I hope there is a way to get back the great freedoms we have lost in America.

- I have read intelligent ideas about how this might happen, and I even have some of my own ideas. Nothing seems remotely sure, or even likely to me.

- Our founders recognized the human soul yearns to be free and that is our natural state. I agree, and I really hope that will be a fountain that can produce peace, harmony, and freedom.
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A few responses, not really disagreeing but adding my views.

- Hitler was elected by a population that immediately became defenseless against him... in significant part because they were unarmed.
Most Germans supported Hitler because he was able to pander to their base views which were elitist and racist at the time. They did not realize what they had elected until it was far to late and it was not because they were unarmed.

- Rebels in what became America overthrew the world's largest super power at the time. They brought their guns to Bunker Hill. True. Taxation without representation.

- The idea that 1-6 was an insurrection has always been absolutely laugh out loud funny to me. They tried. It was a failed insurrection because they were a bunch of morons. A robber who gets stopped dead by a shopkeeper is still a robber even if they aren’t alive to walk out with any stolen goods.

- The prosecution of those who protested as "insurrectionists" brings me to tears. It also terrifies me. I'm shocked the courts have allowed this to take place. They broke the law. If BLM activists did exactly what the 1-6 morons did at the Capital you would want them hanged or shot.

- It is pretty noteworthy that the citizens involved in this "insurrection" in a country with an incredibly well-armed citizenry... didn't think they would need a any of their guns to violently overthrow the world's greatest super power. Yep, they came to D.C. with no weapons all, and expected storming into the capital and turning over Nancy Pelosi's lectern would b topple the government. So then you think it’s ok if the left wing wack jobs to do exactly the same if Trump wins in November? Is that really what you think is acceptable? Give me a break.

- I have no idea what would happen if there were a real insurrection in the U.S. I certainly hope it won't happen in the lifetime of myself or anyone I love. It's hard to see how the government could maintain any real level of order over an honestly unwilling population. It's also hard to see how any other government could rise up. And even if it did, it could likely be more tyrannical. Mostly, I think the fight would lead to mass chaos and suffering of the likes this country has never seen including the Civil War. I absolutely agree. And that’s why prosecuting 1-6 participants that went too far is so important to maintain law and order.

- I hope there is a way to get back the great freedoms we have lost in America. What freedoms do you want back. Specifically. I hear people talk about that but seldom hear anyone articulate what they want and why it is so important.

- I have read intelligent ideas about how this might happen, and I even have some of my own ideas. Nothing seems remotely sure, or even likely to me.

- Our founders recognized the human soul yearns to be free and that is our natural state. I agree, and I really hope that will be a fountain that can produce peace, harmony, and freedom. True.
Golfman25 said:
Our founders were petrified of the will of the majority. Thats why our constitution is written the way it is.
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ttmott said:
But, the founders in their wisdom were concerned that the populus centers will command and elect the government and consequently resolved to institute a representative voting system called the electoral college rather than the popular vote. Thus removing ultimate power of the big cities and centers of government. As it ends up most states (all but two) roll up the electoral votes and submit all as one result in national elections. In the end the populated cities still command all of the state's electoral solution. Until each electoral vote stands on its merit we will continue to fall to the whims of the political power in the government centers. For example, California which has 54 electoral votes is for the most part (from a land mass aspect) a "red" state however, large city populations are for the most part "blue". So, 19 of the votes end up red and the 35 blue - as the blue has the greater vote, all 54 votes become blue and are submitted as 54 blue electoral votes in a national election. This is the big problem with the farmers and ranchers and rural cities who have interests different than the large cities - they are most likely not being represented in the current way the system works.
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Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment?

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.
 
Creekwood said:
Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment? It is a perfectly fine system. That Libs want to scrap it speaks to its effectiveness.

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.
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See above on the electoral college. Also, the violence and destruction by BLM was 1,000 times worse than anything that was done on J6 and very few of the bowel movement rioters were prosecuted, let alone persecuted like J6 attendees. That information may not have made it to your country but it is well known in my country.
 
I love my black powder pistols for going to range as sport, but guys anyone thinks by having an AR15 with a 100 rounds in the closet and thinks its gonna keep us from an overactive professional military….
Perception…

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And honestly, if you think different, you go first, i got your back with my 1851 Colt Navy

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Creekwood said:
A few responses, not really disagreeing but adding my views.

- Hitler was elected by a population that immediately became defenseless against him... in significant part because they were unarmed.
Most Germans supported Hitler because he was able to pander to their base views which were elitist and racist at the time. They did not realize what they had elected until it was far to late and it was not because they were unarmed.

- Rebels in what became America overthrew the world's largest super power at the time. They brought their guns to Bunker Hill. True. Taxation without representation.

- The idea that 1-6 was an insurrection has always been absolutely laugh out loud funny to me. They tried. It was a failed insurrection because they were a bunch of morons. A robber who gets stopped dead by a shopkeeper is still a robber even if they aren’t alive to walk out with any stolen goods.

- The prosecution of those who protested as "insurrectionists" brings me to tears. It also terrifies me. I'm shocked the courts have allowed this to take place. They broke the law. If BLM activists did exactly what the 1-6 morons did at the Capital you would want them hanged or shot.

- It is pretty noteworthy that the citizens involved in this "insurrection" in a country with an incredibly well-armed citizenry... didn't think they would need a any of their guns to violently overthrow the world's greatest super power. Yep, they came to D.C. with no weapons all, and expected storming into the capital and turning over Nancy Pelosi's lectern would b topple the government. So then you think it’s ok if the left wing wack jobs to do exactly the same if Trump wins in November? Is that really what you think is acceptable? Give me a break.

- I have no idea what would happen if there were a real insurrection in the U.S. I certainly hope it won't happen in the lifetime of myself or anyone I love. It's hard to see how the government could maintain any real level of order over an honestly unwilling population. It's also hard to see how any other government could rise up. And even if it did, it could likely be more tyrannical. Mostly, I think the fight would lead to mass chaos and suffering of the likes this country has never seen including the Civil War. I absolutely agree. And that’s why prosecuting 1-6 participants that went too far is so important to maintain law and order.

- I hope there is a way to get back the great freedoms we have lost in America. What freedoms do you want back. Specifically. I hear people talk about that but seldom hear anyone articulate what they want and why it is so important.

- I have read intelligent ideas about how this might happen, and I even have some of my own ideas. Nothing seems remotely sure, or even likely to me.

- Our founders recognized the human soul yearns to be free and that is our natural state. I agree, and I really hope that will be a fountain that can produce peace, harmony, and freedom. True.



Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment?

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.
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Oh Gawd…….back to the Plane Treadmill thread….
 
Skybolt said:
How so? You think we the people can rise up and take this country back? You think we're in a good place now? Hell if it continues as it has, we're not even going to have are second amendment rights much longer.

Pessimistic yeah, but when factions are allowed to riot in the streets and burn buildings and rob without recourse. Show me the optimism in that and where we have gone since. Ten years ago I would not have believed it possible for that to have happened.
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You weren't around for the '60s?? ;)
 
Pirate Lady said:
... but guys anyone thinks by having an AR15 with a 100 rounds in the closet and thinks its gonna keep us from an overactive professional military….
Perception…
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That was my point a few pages ago (Yesterday). Your not going up against the US Military and winning.
 
Skybolt said:
That was my point a few pages ago (Yesterday). Your not going up against the US Military and winning.
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I was watching a documentary about a group of kids who banded together and launched guerrilla attacks against the military and pushed them back....ok, so it was the Russian military and it wasn't a documentary...
 
Creekwood said:
A few responses, not really disagreeing but adding my views.

- Hitler was elected by a population that immediately became defenseless against him... in significant part because they were unarmed.
Most Germans supported Hitler because he was able to pander to their base views which were elitist and racist at the time. They did not realize what they had elected until it was far to late and it was not because they were unarmed.

- Rebels in what became America overthrew the world's largest super power at the time. They brought their guns to Bunker Hill. True. Taxation without representation.

- The idea that 1-6 was an insurrection has always been absolutely laugh out loud funny to me. They tried. It was a failed insurrection because they were a bunch of morons. A robber who gets stopped dead by a shopkeeper is still a robber even if they aren’t alive to walk out with any stolen goods.

- The prosecution of those who protested as "insurrectionists" brings me to tears. It also terrifies me. I'm shocked the courts have allowed this to take place. They broke the law. If BLM activists did exactly what the 1-6 morons did at the Capital you would want them hanged or shot.

- It is pretty noteworthy that the citizens involved in this "insurrection" in a country with an incredibly well-armed citizenry... didn't think they would need a any of their guns to violently overthrow the world's greatest super power. Yep, they came to D.C. with no weapons all, and expected storming into the capital and turning over Nancy Pelosi's lectern would b topple the government. So then you think it’s ok if the left wing wack jobs to do exactly the same if Trump wins in November? Is that really what you think is acceptable? Give me a break.

- I have no idea what would happen if there were a real insurrection in the U.S. I certainly hope it won't happen in the lifetime of myself or anyone I love. It's hard to see how the government could maintain any real level of order over an honestly unwilling population. It's also hard to see how any other government could rise up. And even if it did, it could likely be more tyrannical. Mostly, I think the fight would lead to mass chaos and suffering of the likes this country has never seen including the Civil War. I absolutely agree. And that’s why prosecuting 1-6 participants that went too far is so important to maintain law and order.

- I hope there is a way to get back the great freedoms we have lost in America. What freedoms do you want back. Specifically. I hear people talk about that but seldom hear anyone articulate what they want and why it is so important.

- I have read intelligent ideas about how this might happen, and I even have some of my own ideas. Nothing seems remotely sure, or even likely to me.

- Our founders recognized the human soul yearns to be free and that is our natural state. I agree, and I really hope that will be a fountain that can produce peace, harmony, and freedom. True.



Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment?

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.
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Insurrection??? When? Where?
Or -
Are you talking about a protest or worse a riot that many of the liberal persuasion are trying to augment to incriminate a past president? Remember from a legal definitions aspect an insurrection hasn't happened. Without a determination of "insurrection" the entire prosecution of a past president falls to pieces.
Contrary to the media chuckle heads and some elected brainiacs there was no insurrection.

It seems to me your statements and questions are mostly circular alluding nothing other than a political persuasion. If you are truly interested in understanding the basis of the US then first read the founding documents including and importantly the Federalist Papers (specifically Federalist 9 and 10).
 
Creekwood said:
Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment?

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.
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The system is proven and solid - enviable by many others in foreign lands. Is it perfect in that if represents every soul? - of course not. It is only a problem when a political body and the media do not get the results they desire.
The fly in the ointment is how the states manage their electoral count. My gut says that is an infringement on the ability for an area of voters to count as they wish. Heck, half of the state of Oregon wants to secede to Idaho for the very same reason; it'll never happen though. Frankly, I'm surprised the US Supreme Court hasn't entertained cases regarding how states report the electoral count.
 
highslice said:
I was watching a documentary about a group of kids who banded together and launched guerrilla attacks against the military and pushed them back....ok, so it was the Russian military and it wasn't a documentary...
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Sure a small insurgency, I could see that. Happened through out the middle east campaigns. But we were talking about a coup against the US government on American soil. Completely different aspect of how it would be handled.
 
ttmott said:
Insurrection??? When? Where?
Or -
Are you talking about a protest or worse a riot that many of the liberal persuasion are trying to augment to incriminate a past president? Remember from a legal definitions aspect an insurrection hasn't happened. Without a determination of "insurrection" the entire prosecution of a past president falls to pieces.
Contrary to the media chuckle heads and some elected brainiacs there was no insurrection.

It seems to me your statements and questions are mostly circular alluding nothing other than a political persuasion. If you are truly interested in understanding the basis of the US then first read the founding documents including and importantly the Federalist Papers (specifically Federalist 9 and 10).
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The last real insurrection was called the civil war. That is what a real insurrection with real guns and real deaths looks like. January 6th was a mob / riot. Should they be punished yes but so should all the folks who rioted and destroyed property over the past few years. It doesn't matter if it is government property or private property, you shouldn't destroy what is not yours. I learned this in kindergarten and it's not rocket science.

PS my favorite rebellion was the Whisky Rebellion. If your going to jail, better make sure it is worth it before you "drop the soap" :)
 
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