Common sense gun control laws?

Stee6043 said:
Man I love the internet. And guns. But let's enjoy an exchange?

None of those comparisons you've given are logical, nor rational. If the realities of ease of access and expected outcome (number of deaths per occurrence) are considered, none of those examples you've given would generally be expected to be as "dangerous" (probability it happens x impact when it does) on a per-occurrence basis as high capacity rifles. Your examples are no different than comparing the deaths per year associated with opioids in the USA taken by individuals with the mortality rate at a death camp in Europe (gas chambers) during WWII. Do those two things warrant similar responses? Can they even be rationally compared in terms of policy?
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Looking at the annual FBI statistics that publish death and crime rates within the US, blunt objects such as hammers kill many times the number of people in the US than guns do. This is a statistic that is shown every year to be the same for decades. Why not go after those items first? If they are the number one cause of death by murder in the US and confiscating the weapon alone will stop violent crime why hasn’t anyone done anything to stop the criminal scourge that is private ownership of blunt objects?

It’s because it’s a stupid idea. If you want to stop violence then you go after the cause of violence not the tools some employ to commit violence.
 
km1125 said:
WTF is wrong with you? I didn't quote you, and I didn't even disagree that the age should be raised. I'm merely saying that if we continue to find things that the 18-21 age bracket folks can't handle making important decisions on, then we should really just change the age that folks are considered adults.
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Some 'facts' from an analysis I just read. In K-12 school shootings 70% of shooters are under 18, median age 16. More than 85 percent of shooters brought guns from their own homes or obtained them from friends or relatives. Black student make up 16.6% of school population but experience school shootings at twice that rate.
 
Hoplite808 said:
There is a cat sitting in the dent on the “awning” in such a manner the correlation would make one assume the cat bent the roof whereas we all know the causation is a collision from a car or other large movable object that is no longer in the photo.
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I see a failure to consider other causes here...maybe it was a large chunk of ice that fell off an airplane, then it melted and trickled away.
 
Hoplite808 said:
Looking at the annual FBI statistics that publish death and crime rates within the US, blunt objects such as hammers kill many times the number of people in the US than guns do. This is a statistic that is shown every year to be the same for decades. Why not go after those items first? If they are the number one cause of death by murder in the US and confiscating the weapon alone will stop violent crime why hasn’t anyone done anything to stop the criminal scourge that is private ownership of blunt objects?

It’s because it’s a stupid idea. If you want to stop violence then you go after the cause of violence not the tools some employ to commit violence.
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Yes, agreed. But with this very logic you must also consider the fact that the number 1 cause of death is being born. The FBI somehow (with malice I must assume) leaves that off their reports.
 
Stee6043 said:
Yes, agreed. But with this very logic you must also consider the fact that the number 1 cause of death is being born. The FBI somehow (with malice I must assume) leaves that off their reports.
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@Stee6043 always keep in mind Hanlon’s razor, especially when thinking of the government.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
 
Stee6043 said:
Yes, agreed. But with this very logic you must also consider the fact that the number 1 cause of death is being born. The FBI somehow (with malice I must assume) leaves that off their reports.
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Is it? Think of all those that aren't born...
 
Almightys said:
What I am loving about this thread is that it is sported and for the most part civil. It’s when discussion can be this way without political bs banter that shit gets done.
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NOT political is indeed great.





How about PERSONAL:

BillinPA said:
I can’t believe you people! We need stiffer laws on gun control.
Yes, I’m a multi gun owner and enjoy ...
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Idiot!!!! X1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ad infinitum

Nothing these evil-incarnate cretins do is not already illegal. WTF should I or any other law abiding citizen have to be censored for their acts.

Take a hike,
Pound sand,
whatever other pejorative fits!!!

F U:mad::mad::mad:



Hopefully that didn't come off TOO strongly. If it did, sorry. NOT sorry.
 
Saw a local gun shop owner on the news tonight giving his thoughts. All of these shooters had red flags. Talk to the teachers, the friends, the parents...all said there were signs. They likely would have killed whether there was a gun or not
 
TimW said:
NOT political is indeed great.

Wow, just wow. Good luck in life sir, you will need it.




How about PERSONAL:




Idiot!!!! X1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ad infinitum

Nothing these evil-incarnate cretins do is not already illegal. WTF should I or any other law abiding citizen have to be censored for their acts.

Take a hike,
Pound sand,
whatever other pejorative fits!!!

F U:mad::mad::mad:



Hopefully that didn't come off TOO strongly. If it did, sorry. NOT sorry.
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Stee6043 said:
Man I love the internet. And guns. But let's enjoy an exchange?
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I have absolutely no interest in exchange. For the last eighty years there has been no exchange it is just take, take, take. It is time to stop taking rights from the people and stop the evil ones…
 

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Hoplite808 said:
Cake and compromise, an illustrated guide to gun control for those that still just don’t get it.

https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/
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Those that believe they are moderate and want to negotiate this topic fail to acknowledge all the taking of rights that has occurred with nothing in return for the taking of those rights. They further ignore that all the rights they took in the past did nothing to prevent what they now want to stop by taking more rights away. It is completely illogical…
 
MonacoMike said:
Those that believe they are moderate and want to negotiate this topic fail to acknowledge all the taking of rights that has occurred with nothing in return for the taking of those rights. They further ignore that all the rights they took in the past did nothing to prevent what they now want to stop by taking more rights away. It is completely illogical…
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Correct - they always go extreme and we meet somewhere in the middle - a loss for us.

Now they are going to go for it all and any rights given up is a win for them...
 
When, in all the debates, going back at least 50 years probably- just exactly WHAT did the grabbers ever give up except some of what they wanted.

OUR side, ie conservative/rational is the only side to ACTUALLY give anything up.


I for one am sick and tired of that.

If you’re a “fudd” and don’t care about anything but your duck gun, up yours.
 
Hoplite808 said:
Looking at the annual FBI statistics that publish death and crime rates within the US, blunt objects such as hammers kill many times the number of people in the US than guns do. This is a statistic that is shown every year to be the same for decades. Why not go after those items first? If they are the number one cause of death by murder in the US and confiscating the weapon alone will stop violent crime why hasn’t anyone done anything to stop the criminal scourge that is private ownership of blunt objects?

It’s because it’s a stupid idea. If you want to stop violence then you go after the cause of violence not the tools some employ to commit violence.
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In our most recent election John Fetterman won the PA democratic senate vote while Dr Mehmet Oz won the republican side (yeah, THE Dr. Oz). I'm not sold on Dr. Oz but definitely don't want Fetterman to win. Fetterman was the mayor of a pretty bad town near Pittsburgh and had a very socialist view. Bernie Sanders is pushing him hard. PA is already bad enough. If Fetterman wins it will get worse. Currently Fetterman is Lt. Governor under Tom Wolf, who isn't as bad as far as a socialist mindset but has very questionable leadership abilities, especially when it came to the COVID restrictions and his bullying and borderline extortion tactics. He is also the one that stated the PA gas tax (3rd highest in the U.S.) and how $4 billion of it went to pay other state bills instead of infrastructure repair and now wants to impose a new tax to cover road and bridge repairs
 
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