[Woody]

For the heck of it early in '21 my daughter and family had antibody tests done, all were positive except for my daughter, none of them knew when they might have been 'sick'. They did decide to get vaccinated later in the spring. Now one kid, my 15yo granddaughter has tested positive, they think she got it from her boyfriend. She had sniffles like a cold for a couple days, that's all she noticed. So twice in a year she's had it, once unvaccinated and once vaccinated.

Life seemed pretty normal in my area the last year, virus activity was low and not a problem. That's what I thought until my 98yo Aunt made an trip to the emergency room the start of September. She was freaking out and hallucinating. She spent several hours in the ER, they determined she had a urinary infection and threw her out about midnight. Normally they would have kept her overnight at least for observation but not this time. I asked why and the told me they had no place to put her. If they did want her admitted she would have to be shipped out to somewhere else.

I was told covid patients had tied up the beds. I said I thought the covid activity was minimal in the area and they said it was just that covid patients stay so long.

So yesterday I get this feeling like a ice pick is stabbed in my left ear, after a hour of that blood starts coming out. I call the hospital, trying to get through the menus was a joke, every option led to covid messages. I tried a few times and finally waited about a half hour and got a live person. I said I wanted to see my regular physician and the first thing I was told was 'that's not happening'. I wasn't told why but will say that is the first time in my life that I or member of my family couldn't be 'squeezed in' when needed. Off to the emergency room...

Waited near two hours, never did see an actual Dr. A PA took a look, said 'something is going on inside your ear' and the ear drum is ruptured. They gave my a real stinger of a shot in the thigh and a prescription for antibiotic pills, no tests, no blood draw. I see a different PA tomorrow but I'm wondering what's up with all the Drs.

I asked questions about how things were going when I had a chance. I gotta say everyone seemed like they had somewhere else to get to, busy as heck, they'd be answering my questions as they hustled out the door. One nurse did say 'everything is a mess'. I didn't get the feeling that they were unwilling to talk, more like they didn't have time to.

Tomorrow I hopefully find out more about my noggin and I try to get more detail on what's stressing our hospital.

 

[zool]

According to the US National Transportation Safety Board, airlines average a 95.7% survival rate, so 99% would be good.

 

[sbw1]

According to the US National Transportation Safety Board, airlines average a 95.7% survival rate, so 99% would be good.

On average there are 9728 airline flights in the air right now. If 99% of them don't crash, we would see only 97 crashes at any given time. During a 24 hour period we would lose only 2334 airplanes to crashes. On average there are 1,270,406 passengers in the air right now. If 96% of them survive a crash we would only lose 50,816 at any given time during the day.

 

[Blueone]

On average there are 9728 airline flights in the air right now. If 99% of them don't crash, we would see only 97 crashes at any given time. During a 24 hour period we would lose only 2334 airplanes to crashes. On average there are 1,270,406 passengers in the air right now. If 96% of them survive a crash we would only lose 50,816 at any given time during the day.

I wonder how many would die with covid ?

 

[zool]

On average there are 9728 airline flights in the air right now. If 99% of them don't crash, we would see only 97 crashes at any given time. During a 24 hour period we would lose only 2334 airplanes to crashes. On average there are 1,270,406 passengers in the air right now. If 96% of them survive a crash we would only lose 50,816 at any given time during the day.

So what percentage would be acceptable for you to fly?

 

[highslice]

According to the US National Transportation Safety Board, airlines average a 95.7% survival rate, so 99% would be good.

I believe your number is the survival rate if you actually get into a plane crash. It looks like globally the death rate for flying commercial is like 1 death for every 7.9 million boardings. That is a very high survival rate.

 

[sbw1]

So what percentage would be acceptable for you to fly?

1 in 1,200,000 flights seems like a good number.

 

[firecadet613]

Would you fly with an airline that advertised a 99% survival rate?

You must be special to compare the survival rate of the safest form of transportation to a lab created virus...

You've got the vax. What are you concerned with?! Oh, that's right.. the vax isn't as advertised...

With stupidity like this its no wonder this disease is still around. Why the fck would someone be so self centered to got to a concert when they know they have COVID?

Agree 100%...but if the vax worked (or we tested the vaxxed) this wouldn't be an issue. I have to wonder how many covid positive vaxxed are walking around...since it seems only the unvaxxed are tested...

 

[sbw1]

I believe your number is the survival rate if you actually get into a plane crash. It looks like globally the death rate for flying commercial is like 1 death for every 7.9 million boardings. That is a very high survival rate.

Surviving the crash does not mean your quality of life is going to be what it was prior to the crash. Many face a lifetime of challenges depending on the nature of the crash and whether help is nearby.

 

[firecadet613]

Both have been discussing the vax...I wonder who has been deplatformed...

It's NOT about your health...

Woody, I've heard similar stories from others. COVID is crashing the medical facilities along with others. I believe it is by design.. you have to ask yourself why...

Now, more than ever, it's about staying healthy, no accidents and staying OUT of hospitals.

Have a good telemed urgent care or Dr on call too..

 

[firecadet613]

Surviving the crash does not mean your quality of life is going to be what it was prior to the crash. Many face a lifetime of challenges depending on the nature of the crash and whether help is nearby.

I know exactly ZERO people with long term covid effects, except for jmauld on here with his HBP. I have a fairly large circle.

Why are you such a propenent of pushing the vax on others? What happened to medical freedom of choice? What happened to the vaccines offering protection to those who choose to take them?

 

[zool]

1 in 1,200,000 flights seems like a good number.

your question was would you fly an airline with 99% survival rate?, yea, I do fly at the current rate. I also live me life at the current covid survival rate, I drive at the current survival rate. My point is there is no 100% certainty in anything.

Those are all long term rate averages, the one number we dont have yet is the vaccine survival rate, that will come later.

 

[sbw1]

I know exactly ZERO people with long term covid effects, except for jmauld on here with his HBP. I have a fairly large circle.

Why are you such a propenent of pushing the vax on others? What happened to medical freedom of choice? What happened to the vaccines offering protection to those who choose to take them?

I really don’t care if you get vaccinated. I do care about getting into see a physician or go to a hospital if I need that level of care. In West Michigan, hospitals and physicians are stressed because they are dealing with too many patients, many of whom have delta Covid and are unvaccinated. They stay in the hospital longer and consume valuable resources. Then there is the whole matter of what this disease is doing to the economy, the supply chain, reduction of choice when you shop for food and other commodities. We have large portions of the world where the lack of vaccines is contributing to outbreaks of the disease and more variants which are problematic. The 1% serious illness rate is not trivial given the scope of the problem. Most of us would never fly if there was a 1% chance of a serious problem every time we boarded a commercial airplane.

 

[firecadet613]

I really don’t care if you get vaccinated. I do care about getting into see a physician or go to a hospital if I need that level of care. In West Michigan, hospitals and physicians are stressed because they are dealing with too many patients, many of whom have delta Covid and are unvaccinated. They stay in the hospital longer and consume valuable resources. Then there is the whole matter of what this disease is doing to the economy, the supply chain, reduction of choice when you shop for food and other commodities. We have large portions of the world where the lack of vaccines is contributing to outbreaks of the disease and more variants which are problematic. The 1% serious illness rate is not trivial given the scope of the problem. Most of us would never fly if there was a 1% chance of a serious problem every time we boarded a commercial airplane.

Hmmm. Sounds like they should utilize an early treatment for covid and also not fire the unvaxxed - it seems they were ALL unvaxxed and working just fine last year, correct? Treating people before they are on their deathbed may help lessen the burden on hospitals as well...

Screw it. Let's do the covid treatment of "go home and rest" with other illnesses and really tax the system...

Hell, I've had it, beat it and have better protection against future infections than you do.

When you point the finger at someone else...who are your other three fingers pointing at?

 

[sbw1]

your question was would you fly an airline with 99% survival rate?, yea, I do fly at the current rate. I also live me life at the current covid survival rate, I drive at the current survival rate. My point is there is no 100% certainty in anything.

Those are all long term rate averages, the one number we dont have yet is the vaccine survival rate, that will come later.

I also fly, drive, eat in restaurants and carry on with my life. However, this thread is full of medical misinformation from people who know more about their boats than medicine. Covid is disrupting lives in many ways. If you work in healthcare the disruption is significant. Most of us don’t need a hospital very often and only see our physicians a time or two each year for routine preventive services. Unfortunately, Covid is interfering with even that basic level of care. If more people were vaccinated, life would be better for everyone. So much of what people think they know about the public health implications of the disease is simply not true, and they become combative when challenged with opinions of people who take care of patients for a living.

 

[zool]

I also fly, drive, eat in restaurants and carry on with my life. However, this thread is full of medical misinformation from people who know more about their boats than medicine. Covid is disrupting lives in many ways. If you work in healthcare the disruption is significant. Most of us don’t need a hospital very often and only see our physicians a time or two each year for routine preventive services. Unfortunately, Covid is interfering with even that basic level of care. If more people were vaccinated, life would be better for everyone. So much of what people think they know about the public health implications of the disease is simply not true, and they become combative when challenged with opinions of people who take care of patients for a living.

Well I dont work in healthcare, but I am a professional in Commercial RE Income valuation, and a similar statement could be made with regard to the draconian covid response measures, rent and mortgage moratoriums, lockdowns, occupancy restrictions, ect all have taxed a significant level of economies. Im sure the stress level generated by these measures, along with school closures and stay at home mandates that contributed to excessive drug and alchohol abuse, spousal abuse, ect, have taxed the medical facilities too. Maybe if they didnt mandate people, there would be plenty of room in the hospitals for patients without self inflicted issues.

 

[sbw1]

Hmmm. Sounds like they should utilize an early treatment for covid and also not fire the unvaxxed - it seems they were ALL unvaxxed and working just fine last year, correct? Treating people before they are on their deathbed may help lessen the burden on hospitals as well...

Screw it. Let's do the covid treatment of "go home and rest" with other illnesses and really tax the system...

Hell, I've had it, beat it and have better protection against future infections than you do.

When you point the finger at someone else...who are your other three fingers pointing at?

Hospitals are doing the best they can with the resources they have. There are not a lot of treatments that are proven to work with Covid at this point due to its newness. High flow oxygen and steroids are the treatments of choice in the ER and there are other options for infected people in the first 10 days of illness. Many folks wait until it is too late to use some of the other treatments. It is human nature to focus blame on the care givers when we ignore the best available advice from people who are experts at treating people with infectious diseases. If you know better than the experts, don’t be angry when the level of service you require is not readily available should you need care.

 

[sbw1]

Well I dont work in healthcare, but I am a professional in Commercial RE Income valuation, and a similar statement could be made with regard to the draconian covid response measures, rent and mortgage moratoriums, lockdowns, occupancy restrictions, ect all have taxed a significant level of economies. Im sure the stress level generated by these measures, along with school closures and stay at home mandates that contributed to excessive drug and alchohol abuse, spousal abuse, ect, have taxed the medical facilities too. Maybe if they didnt mandate people, there would be plenty of room in the hospitals for patients without self inflicted issues.

I agree. It is disruptive of most things we used to take for granted. Mandates are a problem because we all want choice and resent being told what to do. Some times as the saying goes, “we bite off our noses to spite our faces.”

 

[firecadet613]

Hospitals are doing the best they can with the resources they have. There are not a lot of treatments that are proven to work with Covid at this point due to its newness. High flow oxygen and steroids are the treatments of choice in the ER and there are other options for infected people in the first 10 days of illness. Many folks wait until it is too late to use some of the other treatments. It is human nature to focus blame on the care givers when we ignore the best available advice from people who are experts at treating people with infectious diseases. If you know better than the experts, don’t be angry when the level of service you require is not readily available should you need care.

When did I place blame on the care givers???

Last I heard, the treatments they were 'allowed' to prescibe for covid came down from the CDC, NIH and other powers that be.

They should let doctors be doctors and get the hell out of the Dr / patient relationship.

It's a shame I have to say this again, but the vaccinated are getting sick, taking up ER space, being admitted to hospitals, being placed in the ICU and still dying from covid - so please stop with the "if everyone was vaccinated" BS.

The 'experts' have been wrong at every turn with covid, including screwing up the data so there's no telling what's what.

What do you suggest in this current scenario? Continue to listen to the 'experts'?

You are making a very good case for people to listen to the ones the experts are trying to silence - the true 'experts'...Malone, Zelenko, McCullough... many of who are seeing covid positive patients...

 

[firecadet613]

I agree. It is disruptive of most things we used to take for granted. Mandates are a problem because we all want choice and resent being told what to do. Some times as the saying goes, “we bite off our noses to spite our faces.”

Mandates are not legal in this country...sounds like you'd fit in great in the socialist EU or Australia...