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How to Replace and Improve the Sea Ray Systems Monitor (Re-Deux)

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#1 ·
It seems that the all-important graphics have been deleted in our original thread replacing the SR Systems Monitor so this is a supplement by popular demand. For reference here is the original thread -
https://clubsearay.com/index.php?th...index.php?threads/how-to-replace-and-improve-the-sea-ray-systems-monitor.91270/

Part Deux -
Sea Ray has a unique stand-alone system called the Systems Monitor that continuously monitors critical elements of the boat and notifies the helmsman of a change in state. Depending upon the boat model and year the things that are monitored vary. Common to all are bilge and sump pumps. In pre-electronic engines Sea Ray also monitored engine coolant temperature, oil pressure, and exhaust temperature. In all cases monitored items are discrete; that means a state of either ON or OFF.
Sea Ray had two generations of the monitor systems. One was LED lamps on a boat outline on the helm and another a digital display. The model year of transition to the digital system was 2000 plus or minus. The issue today is when a part of the system fails the components either aren't available or hideously expensive. There is another solution besides the Sea Ray OEM which not only replicates the messages but provides another world of capabilities. Read on -

Basis of OEM operation -
Regardless of the system generation, the monitored item (bilge pump for example) has a single wire that provides a positive or negative voltage to the Systems Monitor input module. Positive voltages would be a bilge pump coming on and negative voltages would be an oil pressure switch going to ground on low oil pressure - as examples. Some generators have a signal wire that goes to ground should the generator shut down and others use an oil pressure switch that goes to ground at loss of oil pressure indicating shutdown or worse. What this all means is the SR Systems Monitor requires both a Battery ground wire to sense differential to things changing state to battery positive (like bilge pump turning on) and conversely an Engine Ignition battery positive for things that change state to battery ground (like engine oil pressure).
So, there are a host of wires to the Systems Monitor control module accounting for each item on the boat being monitored and wires for the battery ground and Ignition Positive to bias the monitored items as applicable. Sea Ray did a good job color coding these wires in that Brown was for bilge/sump pumps, Purple is engine ignition, Black with white stripe is generator, black is battery ground, and Red is battery positive, etc. Additionally, printed on the wire is the actual function with a unique number that ties to the boat's electrical schematic drawing in the owner's manual. In the first generation of the Systems Monitor (helm LED's) all of the wires were routed to the helm and the input module was located somewhere inside of the helm. In the later generation (digital display) the input module was located in the engine room and a single coaxial data cable communicated to the helm display. As a side note, routing parallel to the later generation coaxial data cable are the positive and negative power wires for the helm display power.

Enter Maretron and NMEA 2000 -
To replace the Sea Ray systems monitor we need a device that can detect a change in electrical state then note that change in state on a digital marine network (NMEA 2000). And, we need a device to interpret the signal on the NMEA 2000 network and display / alarm as required. There are several manufacturers that have devices to detect a change in state and get that data on a NMEA 2000 network but in my experience Maretron does this function most seamlessly and provides the most flexibility to display precisely what that change in state is. So, here wel'll focus on the Maretron solution.

The Maretron RIM100; this device has six channels in that, six items (bilge pumps, oil pressure switch, etc) can be simultaneously monitored for a change in state. The RIM 100 has two wire terminals for each channel so a change in state (positive or negative) can be monitored with an appropriate positive or negative bias as explained earlier. The RIM 100 codes the data onto the NMEA 2000 network. The RIM100 is powered and programmed through the NMEA 2000 network and programming simply done through one of Maretron's displays or if the correct adapters and software are purchased through a laptop computer; it is all menu driven. Additionally, the RIM100 is powered through the NMEA 2000 network. Multiple RIM100 can be added to increase the number of channels; to differenciate between and the channels a unique NMEA 2000 instance is assigned to each RIM100. One thing about Maretron is their manuals and instructions are second to none on how to wire and configure their products. To go any further on the specifics of NMEA 2000 one needs to understand the basics of a NMEA 2000 network and how it must be arranged, powered, and configured so we'll stop here on the NMEA 2000 network specifics; a subject for another thread.

The second part of the system is to view and control the data and that is a display like the Maretron DSM410. Maretron has others but the DSM410 is what I used. The digital signal on the NMEA2000 network from the Maretron RIM100 is propriety and must be configured / viewed on another Maretron device like the DSM410. The DSM410 is essentially the control center for a Maretron based network. It is used in this application to program and control all the devices on the NMEA 2000 network.

Short Circuit Protection - to protect the Maretron source devices (RIM100), any wiring that inputs a battery positive must be fused so we need a fuse for each of the signals that are battery positive to the RIM100. The RIM100 requires zero current so a 1 amp to 5 amp fuse is appropriate to protect the device.

Programming and Setup - Essentially, there are two levels of setup / programming in a Maretron based NMEA 2000 network. The first is to setup the end devices like the RIM100. In this case the RIM100 needs to have each channel labeled and set the alert state (On or Off). If more than one RIM100 in in the system then each one must be assigned a unique instance so every channel is unique on the NMEA 2000 network (Instance 1 Channel 4 or Instance 2 Channel 4 for example). There are a host of variables to be configured on the end device but all are pull down menu driven. The second level is to set up the display (like DSM410) and view the data provided on the network as you desire. Things like screen colors, screen configurations, how alerts and alarms are visually displayed are all possibilities and again managed through pull down menus. One important essential thing is to read the DSM instruction manual so the concept of how Maretron operates is understood. It's a long read (like 140 pages) but nonetheless essential.

Powering the system - One thing of importance from my aspect is the OEM Sea Ray Systems Monitor always monitored bilge pumps wither ignition or battery power was on or off. So, when you think about setting up the NMEA 2000 system and it's power, consider this and how power is sourced to the system. A boat taking on water doesn't care if the power is on or off. In my configuration where there are multiple DSM displays and multiple independently powered segments of the NMEA 2000 network I consider one display as the Master; it is used to configure each end item (this is an important aspect to systems configuration) as well as being on the part of the NMEA 2000 network that is always powered up. Just as importantly the end device (RIM100) that is monitoring the bilge pumps (for example) is always powered up. With this configuration the Maretron solution is truly mimicking the OEM Systems Monitor.

There you have it, essentially, there are four components to replace the Sea Ray Systems Monitor - a fuse block, a Maretron RIM100, a NMEA 2000 network, and a Maretron DSM410. Here is the real benefit of this system - the DSM410 can display just about anything on the NMEA2000 network as well as monitoring the Sea Ray systems. Things like heading, trim tab position, steering position, GPS location, fluid tank levels, pressures, RPM, generator voltage and current - the list is just about endless. Heck, I even monitor how many times the Vacuflush head system cycles. There are 13 pages available on the DSM410 in which up to six items can be monitored per page.

Here is a schematic of the Systems Monitor wiring using a Maretron RIM100 that I implemented for my 2006 52 Sedan Bridge. My engines are all electronic and fault/gauge data is on a separate (Smartcraft) data network so in my configuration it's not a component of the SR Systems Monitor.
Detwork Diagram 17 Nov 2019SRSystems Monitor.jpg

This shows the Maretron devices integrated into the NMEA 2000 network on my boat. I have a couple of RIM100 and DSM410's as shown circled in red. - The RIM100 shown in the engine room is specifically for the Sea Ray Systems Monitor functions.
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And here is a view of one of the pages on the DSM410 that I have displaying the systems monitor data. Each monitored item is labeled and shown in normal state with green background then when the state changes to "Alarm" the background changes to red and an alarm is noted as flashing as well as audible. All of this is simple programming in the Maretron menu driven protocol and well delineated in their instruction manuals. Here I show that the Fwd Bilge pump came on then off showing there was an alarm. If it was active the green background on the monitored item would be red and flashing. There are a hundred ways the data can be viewed; this is just how I did it.
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#3 ·
First, great summation of the other thread.

But I am curious why you are using two NBE100's instead of just using power blocks? The NBE's can only transmit a max of 32 PGN's at one time and they don't support buffering. I would think if you have more then 32 devices that you would see packet loss. Bad design on their part, because of the NMEA 2000 fifty device per network limitation.

The N2K cable length limitation is also a bit, well, limiting. 200m total backbone length and 78m total drop cable length. I use this guideline as a total cable length or 278m total cable length. There should be no difference between the two if all devices have equal resistance, which they should have. That's over 900' of cable length, more then enough for 40 device(s) (my device count) to have a 22.5' average cable length, or the max device count of 50 having an 18' average length. It looks like you have ~28, round up to 30 and that gives you an average length of 30'.

Sorry if this is off topic. Respond in another thread and I'll remove this post if that is so.
 
#5 ·
I think I remember he added these more for network isolation for lighning strike protection. They are optically isolated so would offer some protection in that event.
Power blocks are a great inexpensive solution to separate power zones in the network. One of the areas my little engineering firm was adept in was lightening protection for missile launch systems. There are two principal elements in protection - Isolate the asset from the effects of a strike and design the system so everything comes up equally in potential then drops to ground equally in potential; this eliminates the killer electrical current between things. It's not the voltage (potential) that kills things but the current that differential potential enables. When in 2019 my boat was subject to the effects of a direct strike on the sailboat slipped next to me, we found many areas it could be better protected. One was in the sensitive data network systems. We are dead center in the lightening capital BTW. The Maretron NBE isolator/extenders serve to help isolate systems on the boat from current surges. The second thing we did as a side note was go through the boat's bonding system and verify to the best extent possible the entire boat can equally come up in potential then equally drain down in potential as a cohesive unit. Lightning is insidious and it's behavior is difficult to predicted but we do the best technology provides.
 
#7 ·
I have replaced the Sea Ray systems monitor twice with Sea Ray parts at marine max and they have no Warranty on this part:mad::mad::confused::confused:, the first replacement worked for literally one season, 3 months then died. So another $1000 later, ( price went up) I now keep the circuit breaker off in the engine room and prior to starting engines flip on circuit breaker, when I am back at dock it is off.
Next is Maretron set up.
 
#8 ·
I followed your lead and did basically the same thing. System monitor replaced by two RIM 100s and I also added Maretron temp and pressure modules to monitor engine boost and EGT, Trans pressure/temp and raw water pressure. It was a fun project, primarily because your guide was invaluable and very much appreciated.

My only complaint is that I have SeatalkNG network and Raymarine does not make a backbone power isolator. I would love to be able to shut down the entire network with the exception of a single DSM410 and the RIM100s. That way I can monitor the bilge pumps as well as bilge pump on/off cycles...
 
#11 ·
Well here’s another one that has bit the dust. I’ve called so many places that have been recommended by another. Seems replacement is just not happening. I’m not sure how long it will take me to get the nerve (and the time) to tackle this one, but it’s going to have to be done.
If there’s anyone that’s willing to pre-program, if that’s even possible, or do anything to make this project easier please let me know. Awesome detail on this thread, but I’d pay good money to open a box, wire it up, and go.
 

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#12 ·
The problem with that is the engine interface and the instance numbering. It's next to impossible to do that, outside of a general template. If it is just the RIM100's programming that's not so bad.

You can download the DSM250 emulator from Maretron's site and actually do this on your PC at home then transfer that config to the new display.

That could be it's own thread on here, as that simple statement, while true, has a steep learning curve attached to it.

It's quite time consuming to get that done.
 
#21 ·
There isn't an easy way to do that. You need to convert the car info into nmea 2000 in order to display that type of info.
Want to have Maretron module to get fuel flows for the twin CAT 3116s and replace the Systems Monitor. 2000 Sea Ray 380DA.
Does anyone know where the systems monitor interface module is located? Going to the boat today, to trace the coax cable to it.
The Cat 3116's are not digital engines and do not have any fuel flow data.
You'll have to add some flow instrumentation like NMEA 2000 Interface | FloScan or Maretron's FFM100 with additional flow instrumentation.
Now any display that will work with the NMEA 2000 PGN 127489 (Engine Parameters Dynamic) and PGN 127497 (Engine Trip Parameters) can display and calculate flow and trip data.
The Maretron DSM410 will display flow rates and that is what we used for the Sea Ray Systems Monitor in this thread.

Be aware that to add fuel flow instrumentation to a boat that has none times two is not an inexpensive undertaking. You are probably talking three or four hundreds of gallons in fuel cost.

For both the digital and analog systems monitor module/wire interfaces should be behind the helm for the 380, 400 and 410 DA's.
 
#24 ·
Chetco Digital has a fuel flow module with dual flow sensors for diesel engines for about $800 per engine. They are a little difficult to program/work with, but once set up, are pretty robust. I have their analog to N2K converters installed and work well.

 
#25 ·
Be aware that to add fuel flow instrumentation to a boat that has none times two is not an inexpensive undertaking. You are probably talking three or four hundreds of gallons in fuel cost.
Very well aware, thanks. I too am OCD and can't stand not having fuel flows (and EGT) to determine best cruising speeds and what I consider proper engine monitoring. At least I don't have to concern myself with lean of peak operations with piston aircraft engines.

Chetco Digital has a fuel flow module with dual flow sensors for diesel engines for about $800 per engine. They are a little difficult to program/work with, but once set up, are pretty robust. I have their analog to N2K converters installed and work well.
Given the Systems Monitor replacement with Maretron, I've been speaking with them about a complete system, including fuel flow. Yes it's expensive, if I was worried about the expense I would never have bought a boat :cool:
 
#26 ·
Very well aware, thanks. I too am OCD and can't stand not having fuel flows (and EGT) to determine best cruising speeds and what I consider proper engine monitoring. At least I don't have to concern myself with lean of peak operations with piston aircraft engines.



Given the Systems Monitor replacement with Maretron, I've been speaking with them about a complete system, including fuel flow. Yes it's expensive, if I was worried about the expense I would never have bought a boat :cool:
If you are putting in a complete Maretron system, that adds the ability to program everything so that makes sense. If wanting a stand alone system, the Chetco would be a good option. I have a lot of Maretron and Chetco on the boat, both viable options.

Once you have the information on your network, you or your MFD won’t be able to tell the difference.