WTB - Oil Extractor - Power vs Manual - Suggestions Please.

Discussion in 'General Maintenance/Repair Questions' started by Little Ducky, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    My Lexus at the dealer is $225...my wife's Mercedes GLS450 is $460 at the dealer...crazy. Both get changed at NAPA for less than half of that... The boat has Reverso so it is an easy DIY.
     
  2. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    After my car warranty was up, I stopped letting the dealer change the oil and went to a quick change place for half the price. Soon after I saw some oil under the car. I checked it out and saw that they had re-installed only every-other screw on the underside cover. I took the cover off and found the oil filter was loose! Later I found they hadn't used a washer on the plug. No-one else has touched that car since!
     
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  3. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I called Jabsco way back when the cheaper one (rectangular container) crapped out on me to see about getting replacement parts for the pump and they told me those weren’t serviceable.
    Not sure if that has changed over the years.
    Anyway, before buying, I verified with them that the pump on their more expensive model (round container) would be serviceable if I ever had a problem and they assured me that it would be so I went with that one.
    I think I’ve had it for about 10 years now and so far I haven’t had any problems with it at all. It probably only gets used about 7 or 8 times a year though.
    If you only do one or two motors a years the cheap Harbor Freight/Northern Tool manual pump might suit your needs just fine. A friend of mine uses one and it works well for him.
     
  4. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Some of those oil change places are a nightmare.
    A close friend just retired and closed down his auto repair business last year. He had many customers who came in with oil leaks from loose filters and cross threaded drain plugs after going to those places.
    I lease cars every 3 years for my wife and I to drive daily. The dealer I’ve gotten them from the last two times offers free oil changes for the first year and then $7.00 oil changes after that. The catch is you have to make an appointment and hang around while they do it.
    I don’t take advantage of it.
    We’ve got 4 other cars in the household between the two toys I have in the garage and my two kids cars.
    I find it much quicker and easier to just set up the Ramps and knock out all 6 cars one after the other. Once I’m set up, I can do all 6 in less time than it would take me to drive to the dealer, wait for them to do one car, and then drive home again.
     
  5. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I bought my 410 from Marine Max last year and took delivery from them in April. The mechanic was a great guy and when we were going over some stuff in the bilge he pointed out that he had to rebuild the Reverso pump prior to delivery. He suggested that I use it to take the old hot oil out of the motors, but if at all possible I should think about pouring the new cold oil in manually to prolong the life of the pump. Sounded like a great idea, so that’s what I did. I ordered one gallon jugs of Rotella from Walmart for in store pick up so they worked out to be the same price as buying it in 5 gallon jugs and they were easier to handle for pouring it in.
     
  6. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    yes..... and it also got old and fell apart.
     
  7. tc410

    tc410 Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    794
    Oct 9, 2006
    Charlevoix, MI/Jupiter, FL
    2005 550DB
    MAN CRM-900
    I don’t change my own oil - plus I have the integrated Reverso system on engines/transmissions/generator. BUT - I do carry the Moeller vacuum pump (which is what West Marine rebranded with their name on it) on board. It is very handy for multiple projects beyond oil changes. I use it for getting occasional water out of hard to reach areas in the bilge, getting water out of the shower sump for the annual cleaning, sucking up fuel that I spilled during a filter change, etc. I guess my point is think beyond using this for just oil changes when you are choosing the best option for your needs.
     
  8. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    I'm with Bill Collector on the Jabsco pump and replacement impeller.

    LD - I gave mine to the new owner of my 410 on C Dock - you might just borrow his...
     
  9. cfd95

    cfd95 Member

    294
    Nov 5, 2013
    Northport Long Island
    2002 310 Sundancer
    350 Horizons
    V Drives
    The mercruiser hand pump that threads onto the dipstick is all i use.
    Drains the motor in less than 2 minutes. $35.00
    My Generator has a drain hose that i put into a jug to drain.
    Your Gen should have a drain hose on it.
     
  10. Strypes

    Strypes Member

    736
    Dec 10, 2015
    Catawba Island
    12 Meter Trojan International Motor Yacht
    210 Sea Fox Center Console
    Avon 3.11 RIB
    454 Crusaders
    V6 Mercury Saltwater 150HP
    4 Stroke 5HP Mercury
    +1
     
  11. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Well-Known Member

    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    Thanks for everyones replies.

    I'm going to go with the manual approach and go with the top sider.

    I'll post up how it goes.
     
  12. Krazzeeddie

    Krazzeeddie Member

    43
    Sep 21, 2017
    Michigan, Lake Saint Clair
    370 Sundancer, 1993
    Avon Rib, Merc 15hp
    Baja 240 Sport, For fun.
    454 Merc... V Drives
    I was busy one week and had the place at M59 and Grosbeck do an oil change and they forgot the oil. I feel your pain.
     
  13. Almightys

    Almightys Member

    180
    Jun 15, 2015
    Warren, MI
    1992 Sundancer 330, 7.4l's w vdrives, and genny
    454 Mercs
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  14. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Well-Known Member

    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    Well this was fun.

    I went with the top sider. Slow but effective.

    Book says there's 5.5 qts and the sucker took out 5 qts.

    Is there a trick to removing the oil filters without oil going everywhere?

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. B BARKER

    B BARKER Member

    97
    Apr 20, 2014
    TENNESSEE RIVER- CLIFTON,TN
    1974 CENTURY ARABIAN 454 CRUSADER MARINE V-DRIVE.. ALSO 1987 SEA RAY 390 EXPRESS CRUISER..
    454 MERCRUISER 340 INBOARDS
    I double a couple of zip lock bags and put over the filter and screw them off and they catch the oil.....
     
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  16. BillK2632

    BillK2632 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 25, 2009
    Lake Norman, NC
    1999 185 Bowrider,
    Mercruiser 4.3, Alpha I
    Unscrew the remote oil filter slowly and allow the oil to drain out before removing.
     
  17. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    This. Unscrew it enough to where air will go in, but oil won't come out. It will look like the oil is "breathing" in the gap between the filter and the mount.

    PS: Put "EFI" in your engine signature.
     
  18. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Well-Known Member

    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    Do you think just puncturing the oil filter with a nail on top would allow enough air to enter to allow the oil to drain out?
     
  19. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    That can work, but then you essentially have a "hole" on both ends of the filter. If there's no hole on the top side (when installed), then you can put it back in it's box and it won't leak through the box with residual leaking. Long ago, I used to do it that way. But unscrewing is more efficient. I still stuff a few rags under the filter mount as a precaution, but in the couple dozen oil changes I do each Fall, it's a "clean" event.

    Thanks for adding the "EFI" - reason is, I bet Barker thought you had carb'd engines. With a carb'd engine, the filter is in it's normal location, down low on the block.
     
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  20. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Well-Known Member

    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    Good call.

    Since this was the first time doing oil maintenance next time I'll have a bit more patience with the oil filter. On engine number one I had some rags but not enough in the right place ....... doing engine number 2 was a bit cleaner.

    Today I'm going after the generator. Should be fun if I can fit. :)o_O:)o_O
     

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