Who Really Gets Rich Off High Gas Prices?

MonacoMike

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Not oil companies or the other oft cited boogeymen imagined by many. From WSJ:

"With the average price of gas in America hovering around $3.50 per gallon for regular unleaded, it costs more than $50 to fill a typical car's 15-gallon tank this summer. Why does gas cost so much?

You may blame high gas prices on rich oil company executives or greedy gas station owners. The truth is that governments rake in a larger profit at the pump than anyone—and with gas taxes on the rise in many parts of the country, there's no relief in sight.
The price of a gallon of gas is based on the combination of four costs: that of crude oil, of refining gas, of distribution and marketing, and of taxes.
Crude oil costs make up about 76% of the cost of gasoline, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). Thus $2.66 of a $3.50 gallon of gasoline is set before the oil is even refined. Global markets, reacting to supply and demand, determine the cost of crude oil. Just like any commodity, from gold to corn, a shortage in supply or an increase in demand leads to a rise in prices.

Refining oil is the next step in the process—and the next expense for drivers. Gasoline is extracted from crude oil and additives, including lubricants and detergents to reduce engine deposits, are added. As of January 2012, the EIA found that refining was responsible for 6% of the cost of gasoline.

Distribution and marketing—the part of the process most apparent to consumers—constitutes another 6% of gas prices. That portion of the cost includes the shipping and transportation of the gasoline, a markup to cover retailers' expenses, and any advertising created to appeal to customers.
The remaining 12%—or almost 50 cents per gallon today—goes directly to federal, state and local governments in an array of sales and excise taxes. The federal gas tax is 18.4 cents on every gallon of gasoline sold in America. State gas-tax rates vary from a low of eight cents per gallon in Alaska to a jarring 49 cents per gallon in New York. Other states where it's steep to fill up include California and Connecticut—each with 48.6-cent-per-gallon gas taxes—and Hawaii, at 47.1 cents per gallon.

Some local governments have gotten in on the act, too. In California, local sales and excise taxes on gasoline average 3.1%, according to the Los Angeles Times. That works out to about 12 cents in local taxes for each gallon of gas, based on the state's current average of $3.80 per gallon.
Skokie, Ill., a suburb north of Chicago, levies a gas tax of three cents per gallon. You'll pay an extra nickel per gallon at gas stations in Eugene, Ore. And the next time you're gambling in Las Vegas, you'll need plenty of cash left over to cover Clark County's 10 cent local tax on a gallon of gas. In Florida, Brevard County (home to the Kennedy Space Center) expects to siphon more than $15 million from motorists this year, according to the newspaper Florida Today.

Put this all together, and government makes far more from gas sales than all of the oil companies put together. Exxon, for example, made only seven cents per gallon of gasoline in 2011. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly 50 cents per gallon that federal, state and local governments rake in on an average gallon of gas pumped in the U.S.
Most people have to drive—whether to work, to the grocery store, to pick up kids from school or for dozens of other reasons. For some families struggling to make ends meet, paying 50 cents per gallon in taxes may be the difference between driving to work and putting dinner on the table.
So the next time you begin to blame oil companies, speculators or service stations for high gas prices, remember that no one get richer off of gasoline than government."

Mr. Johnson is a senior fellow at the Taxpayers Protection Alliance.
 
Well it's not me :smt013 Had to drop my outboard off today for service in St. Clair Shores and the price was $4.09 gallon, headed back to Port Huron thinking prices might be cheaper and they were the same give or take a few cents.....sucks!
Headed back over the border and it was $1.24 ltr or $4.71 a US gallon......Not sure what's with the latest hike in prices but I was over for a fill up a little over a week ago and it was $3.65
 
Cheapest I've seen is 4.75, whereas my marina charges 6.50 - I don't live in the wrong state, I live in the wrong country!

Love Australia, but we are so over taxed. I should also point out there is a massive lack of competition in marinas, and mine doesn't have a huge turnover to support itself either.
 
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Price in Denmark where I'm from : US$ 7.31 / gallon
Price where I am (United Arab Emirates): US$1.77 / gallon but fuel prices are government subsidized. UAE has about 9% of the worlds oil reserves.
 
For those of you in this country, there's a free smartphone app called "Gasbuddy". It's free, and once you load it it seeks out the gas stations around your location. It automatically sorts them by their distance from you, or you can sort them by the price of their gas. You can also search for regular, premium and diesel.

The information on the prices of the gas is called UGC...User Generated Content and it's uploaded by Gasbuddy members when they fill up or drive by a station. I find it very useful when I travel as it not only tells me the lowest prices around, but I can click to get a map and directions to the station.
 
$1.78 a litre here in the Okanagan. All of the gas docks are at the same price. I believe that translates to over $6 a gallon. Not cheap...

Mark
 
We paid $ 3.99 a gallon at the gas dock in Boston Harbor last weekend. Regular was $ 3.45 at Costco when I went by earlier today.

I'd also quibble with the statement that the oil companies only make $ 0.06 per gallon. A more accurate statement is; "they only make six cents per gallon based on the current cost of crude". But since they make gasoline from existing inventory, that in a rising market cost less yesterday than today, they are actually making much more.

And as for the government making more money, maybe so, but we have a federally funded interstate highway system, and both sates and municipal governments get matching federal funds for highway and bridge construction/repair.

Henry
 
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Good article and it states supply and demand. I would disagree now-a-days. The article doesn't mention the impact of speculation on oil/gas prices. $4.17 at my marina with Camas at $5.07
 
Oil companies have historically had small margins on refining which is why some of them sold off their refineries to folks like Valero or Venezuela (Citgo). They have always made most of their profits on producing oil and gas from leases or property they own. Offsetting producing margins are the high capital costs of the leases and drilling combined with royalties and severance taxes paid to governments. I believe Exxon makes somewhere around 12% on its assets which is not a whole lot more than many of the electric utilities in this country.
 
The article doesn't mention the impact of speculation on oil/gas prices.

You missed the last line...

"So the next time you begin to blame oil companies, speculators or service stations for high gas prices, remember that no one get richer off of gasoline than government."

The "anti-speculators" need to take a good high level econ class... :smt043

Speculation does contribute to drive the price up early, however when the cause of the increase in activity is valued it then causes prices to drop sooner all while providing liquidity in the marketplace.

MM
 
You missed the last line...

"So the next time you begin to blame oil companies, speculators or service stations for high gas prices, remember that no one get richer off of gasoline than government."

The "anti-speculators" need to take a good high level econ class... :smt043

Speculation does contribute to drive the price up early, however when the cause of the increase in activity is valued it then causes prices to drop sooner all while providing liquidity in the marketplace.

MM

I guess the part I don't understand about the points made here is that the article states that 76% or $2.66 of each $3.50 gallon is the commodity price. That commodity is far more expensive then it was 12 years ago. Unless the production of the crude itself is now much more expensive, somebody is making more profit on the commodity - and it is the oil companies, which are reporting various record profits over the last several years.

My understanding of the issue on speculation is that years back, there were regulatory limits on how many futures contracts could be bought without taking actual delivery. So, years ago, speculation was weighted toward true end users, who bought contracts in order to hedge their pricing, and make their cost structure more stable. That was the whole point of market liquidity. The Bush administation did away with these regulatory limits, so now a market that tends to run toward the latest craze (stocks, real estate, gold, etc.) runs amok with market highs that get termed "irrational exuberance" - Allen Greenspan and market lows that get termed "great recession" - popular media. The market did have liquidity before, but there were controls in place to prevent the bi-polar economy we now enjoy. Or, make that "endure." The other profit center is the speculators, who make a ton of money when they get their bets right.

Damn, I promised myself I would not get in these things!
 
I guess the part I don't understand about the points made here is that the article states that 76% or $2.66 of each $3.50 gallon is the commodity price. That commodity is far more expensive then it was 12 years ago. Unless the production of the crude itself is now much more expensive, somebody is making more profit on the commodity - and it is the oil companies, which are reporting various record profits over the last several years.

You are on the right track, it is a commodity and thus is affected by the economy in general. All commodities a affected by simple supply and demand but a greater affect is the value of the currency used to buy the commodity. That is the majority of the change in price you noted above. The balance is based mainly on fears of supply disruption, mainly political unrest or equipment disasters. When supplies of a commodity are abundant and prices low but the price is expected to rise later speculators buy cushioning the collapse of prices. When supplies become low and prices rise, speculators sell easing the shortage and lowering the price. Speculators agree to buy a commodity in the future for a price locked in today. This reduces the risk for an oil producer or farmer who fears investing because he doesn't know what price his product will sell for next year.

My understanding of the issue on speculation is that years back, there were regulatory limits on how many futures contracts could be bought without taking actual delivery. So, years ago, speculation was weighted toward true end users, who bought contracts in order to hedge their pricing, and make their cost structure more stable. That was the whole point of market liquidity. The Bush administation did away with these regulatory limits, so now a market that tends to run toward the latest craze (stocks, real estate, gold, etc.) runs amok with market highs that get termed "irrational exuberance" - Allen Greenspan and market lows that get termed "great recession" - popular media. The market did have liquidity before, but there were controls in place to prevent the bi-polar economy we now enjoy. Or, make that "endure." The other profit center is the speculators, who make a ton of money when they get their bets right.

So government picks who can and cannot buy futures? The non-using speculators MUST sell at some point to realize their gain and that act in itself reduces prices, cushions the market, and offers the commodity to the users we, as consumers, most want to have the product. If it was as easy as most anti-speculator proponents made it sound I'd be a millionaire myself. It is a risky business to speculate in any commodity and the road is littered with FAR more losers than winners. The losers actually lower your costs.

Damn, I promised myself I would not get in these things!

Oh a robust discussion is good to learn from. See answers in red above
 
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So government picks who can and cannot buy futures? The non-using speculators MUST sell at some point to realize their gain and that act in itself reduces prices, cushions the market, and offers the commodity to the users we, as consumers, most want to have the product. If it was as easy as most anti-speculator proponents made it sound I'd be a millionaire myself. It is a risky business to speculate in any commodity and the road is littered with FAR more losers than winners. The losers actually lower your costs.
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There is truth to every point made here. I'm far from anti-market. The ultimate anti-market would be to say nationalize oil and energy in general. But, putting in some regulation to even out financial markets, reign in the reckless, and slow the unethical has been a tradition in this country that goes back virtually to its founding. It's part of what made the U.S. a safe place to save and invest that the world used to envy a bit more than it does now. And, I understand the purist viewpoint about capitalism - regulation is Pandora's box - and government can get it really wrong sometimes. I tend to take it that when executives of various industries, and lots of hurt everymen say that hey, maybe we need some curbs on the Las Vegas version of financial markets, that might be the foundation of a sound bit of government financial policy.
 
I see the article uses many correct facts to reach a conclusion that the facts do not really support. Very misleading. From the information presented, it is not the goober mint but the oil *producer* raking in the big bucks.

The issue of *speculation* is a separate minefield. Yes, at some level it is about smoothing the marketplace while making Respectable profit. At more levels, it is about maximizing market manipulation to maximize profit -> no different than the stock, credit, and currency manipulation that has been wreaking most peoples faith in the financial sector.
 
AAFES... AAFES is who gets rich. Most of you are probably wondering who the heck is AAFES?? Thoes of us who have been in the military know it affectionately as ::Always Able to F@#$#$ Every Soldier:: or.. by the name they prefer Armed Forces Exchange Service (our version of Wal Mart)

One of the benifits they have is they dont pay taxes or shipping costs on ANYTHING. In theory they pass this savings to the service members. I'm waiving the BS flag.

Gas today on Ft Drum, NY is 3.66 for the cheap stuff. If I drive 1 min out the gate, to the first gas station its 3.65 SO they are saving me 0.01 a gallon.

NOW... they dont pay transportation costs of fuel (tax payers pay it, since the FED does), they dont pay rent or utilities and even the buildings they use were furnished by the FED. they most certanly dont pay state tax on gas per gallon, AND they dont pay FED tax per gallon.

NOT PAID FOR, but charged by AAFES
transport @0.15 /gallon
NY State Tax @0.696
Fed tax @0.184
TOTAL :: $1.03 EXTRA PER GALLON in their pocket

But because they want to 'remain competitve to local markets' they keep their prices close to off post prices. HOW NICE OF THEM!!! I saved 0.01 per gallon!

Lets not talk about tobacco prices (which they get the non-taxed cig's with no tax stamps on them, and no NY $1.00 pack fee) but still charge about 0.50 off retail a pack.

Sigh!!
 

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