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[Maybe A Dancer]

What have I missed?

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RWS

 

[Skybolt]

Year and model. We know what it is, but perspective buyers may not. Also That isn't the complete add, right? I would leave off "No Joystick" and just state what it has and not what it doesn't have. Some people like the things your saying it doesn't have. JMO.

Also, why "Zero Depreciation"? Everything depreciates, like it or not. To me that states I want top dollar, period.

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

NO !

She's NOT FOR SALE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just a comparison to newer, better, tech, engineering and cost.

Truthfully, IMHO, this is a better boat than what it could be replaced for new/newer in this day and age.

OH NO, This boat will not go on sale till after I'm dead.

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RWS

 

[Wanderer 290]

I get it and totally agree!

 

[bobeast]

I would remove "Starts Every Time". I mean seriously, do you really want to tease the sea-gods?

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

I suppose the point was, clean air, clean fuel charged battery and starter engagement and .... away we go with no reliance on circuit boards, HDPI, or a myriad of fancy electronics.

I should also add: No smoke or soot.......

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RWS

 

[Stee6043]

I don't get it. You're creating a graphic highlighting all of the things your boat does not have? For what purpose?

There's a lot of confirmation bias around here, myself included. But I think most of us are kidding ourselves if we think our boats are actually better than the new stuff out there. We're telling ourselves these things because we simply can't afford the new stuff...so ours must be just as good or better because, well, we say so.

 

[my3sons]

I don't get it. You're creating a graphic highlighting all of the things your boat does not have? For what purpose?

There's a lot of confirmation bias around here, myself included. But I think most of us are kidding ourselves if we think our boats are actually better than the new stuff out there. We're telling ourselves these things because we simply can't afford the new stuff...so ours must be just as good or better because, well, we say so.

Well, yes and no. I know plenty of people who have moved up to newer boats with all of the things that the original poster is happy to be without and they have been trouble free (so far) and they would never go back. For us however, because we have always liked to cruise, less is better. The classic definition of “cruising” is “repairing your boat in unfamiliar places” and owning a boat that doesn’t require a tech with a laptop to tell you everything is fine, you just need a new sensor or there’s a lose wire on a sensor or of course worse, is a great advantage. if you know how to tune up a lawn mower you can change injectors and adjust the valves in our golden oldie.

 

[Stee6043]

Well, yes and no. I know plenty of people who have moved up to newer boats with all of the things that the original poster is happy to be without and they have been trouble free (so far) and they would never go back. For us however, because we have always liked to cruise, less is better. The classic definition of “cruising” is “repairing your boat in unfamiliar places” and owning a boat that doesn’t require a tech with a laptop to tell you everything is fine, you just need a new sensor or there’s a lose wire on a sensor or of course worse, is a great advantage. if you know how to tune up a lawn mower you can change injectors and adjust the valves in our golden oldie.

I don't entirely disagree. But I'm just old enough to remember when fuel injection was a hot new thing. All the old timers at that time hated the idea and said exactly the same thing - "so what, we're all going to need to carry laptops around to work on these things? Give me carb's or give me death!".

I just think we sound like antiques when we say this stuff

 

[my3sons]

I don't entirely disagree. But I'm just old enough to remember when fuel injection was a hot new thing. All the old timers at that time hated the idea and said exactly the same thing - "so what, we're all going to need to carry laptops around to work on these things? Give me carb's or give me death!".

I just think we sound like antiques when we say this stuff

Yep. Wait, what’s a carburetor?
our 7.4‘s on the 330 had carbs. What a pain they were.
The 8.1‘s on the 360 ran flawlessly for the 5 years we had that.

 

[Woody]

I don't entirely disagree. But I'm just old enough to remember when fuel injection was a hot new thing. All the old timers at that time hated the idea and said exactly the same thing - "so what, we're all going to need to carry laptops around to work on these things? Give me carb's or give me death!".

I just think we sound like antiques when we say this stuff

Most of us are antiques

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

I'm kinda old at 66...

Kinda old fashioned too.... that is to a point.

Worked in my dad's auto parts store before I was old enough to drive, played with LOTS of cars, and put myself through college in the 1970's with my own auto repair business called..... AUTO HOSPITAL.

Was general manager of a trucking company in the 1980's running MACK truck tractors in a heavy duty dump environment running 2 shifts per day/5 days/week.

I dun lernt a lot about diesels, pyrometers, boost gauges, the value of oil samples and how to create and implement a good preventative maintenance schedule for a specific environment.

I marveled when HALL EFFECT electronic ignition first replaced the points and condenser, and I generally love all things tech.

But that said, I am a simple man and there is something to be said for the beauty of simplicity, especially in a salt water/salt air, moist, damp high humidity engine room.

Much like those Maxidyne/Econodyne six cylinder Bosch pump intercooled Mack engines, I loved the Yanmar 6LP's in my previous boat.

Unlike the computer controlled, over sensored, wiring harness, Volvos of the day, the Yannies represented a simpler, more foolproof design.

This is part of what drew me to the 450DA/Cat 3100 series setup.

There's less potential for a component failure.

The problem here is that simple as I am, I am a world of contradictions.

For example, I yanked those Floscans off my last boat and put them on the 450.

And I added a remote to handle the fwd & aft thrusters and the cablemaster- makes docking and plugging in a breeze for an old guy like me.

Here's yet another contradiction: I find myself saving information, sales brochures and other information on Sea Ray's 1995-2000 630 Sundancer/Super Sun Sport.

What a fascinating boat, especially the Dancer with the Arenson drives.......

I've got 95' of dock space behind the house, however it's unlikely that boat would make it through the S turns and height restrictions at the bridge to my dock.

Anyway, I am so very happy with the 450DA / 3126TA combination and what it represents to me as a hands on guy.

And yes, likely I'm justifying my nearly 30 year old boat to myself, but still..... it does make sense......... to an old guy like me !

BEST !

RWS

 

[keokie]

I see this from a lot of angles. New tech often becomes more reliable after the technology is not so new (fuel injection, Smartcraft, etc.). There is a lot of tech I just don't care about. I have no desire for Bluetooth operated air conditioning, powered window shades, skyhook position holding, touchless faucets, illuminated speakers, etc. So, I would rather not have to deal with failures to these systems that I don't even appreciate.

The larger issue for me is the ability to keep everything in proper working order. I am the principle mechanic on my boat. I've struggled through plenty of projects in the decades I've owned this boat. More complex is not something I would welcome.

And I am the principle mechanic on my boat for several reasons... It gives me a fighting chance of repairing something myself when I am out on the water. It saves a ton of money. I don't like others messing with my stuff. And mostly because it is incredibly difficult to find anyone else who can competently do this stuff. Then there is their timeframe.

In my area, it is COMMON for folks to pay a fortune for faulty work they waited months for. That is a bridge too far for me.

Then there is simply the lack of capable mechanics to properly diagnose and fix problems with complicated equipment. Good luck finding that within 200 miles of Lake Powell.

I remember a number of years back, there was new a 40ish foot Four Winns with pods for sale by the dealer. It was at the local lake being demo'd on a regular basis. It had this intermittent problem of one motor simply not going into gear. Techs had been out to address this at least a half dozen times, each time having supposedly fixed it. When the boat finally sold, I said a little prayer for the new owner.

So, really for me, simpler has a distinct advantage. Paying a literal fortune for something I can't keep nice and in proper working order isn't practical. If I could get newer stuff that I felt I could get my tool bag wrapped around, I'd have more interest. The recent push to outboards might be a help for that, but I'm still evaluating.

 

[Skybolt]

NO !

She's NOT FOR SALE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just a comparison to newer, better, tech, engineering and cost.

Truthfully, IMHO, this is a better boat than what it could be replaced for new/newer in this day and age.

OH NO, This boat will not go on sale till after I'm dead.

BEST !

RWS

Then what's that add about then?

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

It's not an advertisement. (see post #3 above)

I saw something similar for a Porsche (no I don't own one) that is no longer in production and thought there were numerous parallels to be drawn across the products in terms of simplicity and reliability.

Getting close to perfection on this 450, mechanically and cosmetically.

Ergonomically, everything is on one level with no ladders and few steps, there's a transom door, wide gunnels and grab handles for moving to the bow, and with the FWD/AFT thrusters & remote I can easily single handle this boat today, tomorrow and as I age.

Will likely keep her till my last breath - let the estate sell her after I'm gone.

Then again, there's that 630 with those Arensons.......... but NOT IN ANYWAY PRACTICAL.

If/when I hit the lottery, well I might change my mind, however that is unlikely.

BEST !

RWS

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

Maybe I should start a new thread on the 630.......

Sea Ray Sundancer 630: Queen of the Fleet​

Written by: Jeanne Craig on August 5, 2013.
Category: Express Cruisers | 4 Min Read
The Sea Ray Sundancer series is one of the most successful cruising boat lines in recreational boat history, and recently made waves with the introduction of the 510 Sundancer. This boat is a far cry from the Sundancer line’s beginning in 1974, with a modest 24-foot sterndrive model engineered to maximize usable space inside and out. That boat was a big hit with young families, and its popularity spawned a gleaming fleet that grew longer and more luxurious by the year. In 1996, however, the builder stretched the Sundancer concept to a whopping 63 feet with the largest Sundancer in the history of the series: the 630.
The 630 was the largest Sundancer ever built by Sea Ray, and it’s designed for luxury inside and out.

This behmoth express-style yacht came to market at a good time—smack in the middle of the go-go decade marked by a robust economy and hearty consumer confidence. That high-energy atmosphere was a ripe proving ground for this particular model as it was offered with performance-oriented propulsion, the likes of which had not been featured on a Sundancer before: Arneson surface-piercing drives married to Caterpillar diesels that ranged up to about 1,350 hp.
Equipped with those surface-piercing drives, the 630 can achieve tops speeds of 45-plus knots. Back in the 1990s, that was proof that Sea Ray could compete in the high-performance yacht market and the boat took the builder to new heights in the tech race of that era.
Today, the propulsion maintains a strong fan base because it has multiple benefits. Among them are shallow-water capabilities as there are no shafts, struts, and rudders underwater. With Arnesons, there’s a significant decrease in drag, which makes for higher overall speed and improved fuel economy, as much as 30 percent over conventional inboards. Acceleration also is improved because the driver can modify the amount of prop in or out of the water for better thrust.
Propulsion is just one characteristic that made this boat a hot topic upon its launch. In true Sea Ray fashion, it was designed for luxury cruising with more high-end entertaining features than you can shake a social register at.
The massive open salon has an entertainment center that was state-of-the art in the production powerboat market of its day.
There’s a massive open salon with an entertainment center that, at the time of the build, was state-of-the art in the production powerboat market. The galley nearby is equipped with everything you’d need to concoct a creative selection of hors d’oeuvres or a multiple-course dinner. The top names in appliances are found on many model year makes of the 630 (Moen, Sub-Zero), and features range from a refrigerator/freezer to an ice maker, stove, dishwasher, blender, and coffeemaker. A popular option on the 630 was hardwood flooring throughout the main deck and on the accommodations level.
For overnighting, the 630 has two staterooms and those accommodations are both big and private. The master has a king-size island berth, and on some models, designer touches were added (think Louis Vuitton linens) for label-conscious cruisers. The master head is one of three onboard, and on certain 630s, the space is dressed up with yachty extras like marble tile inlaid with gold. The VIP cabin with queen-size berth is aft, also with an en suite head. For extra guests, there’s a lounge in the salon with built-in sofa bed that slides out electrically.
The designers of this king-size sportyacht put a heavy emphasis on comfort in the cockpit, which is huge at 27 feet. Typical features here include a circular seating area with dining table, wraparound lounges and, at the heart of the space, a gi-normous circular sunpad. Another option on the 630 was the hydraulic swim platform, which is available on many 630s for sale today. It submerges about four feet to make the process of launching a dinghy or PWC a more civilized procedure.
The 630 Sundancer was taken out of production in 2000 and replaced by a 60-footer with conventional inboard power. Some die-hard Sea Ray fans felt the Arneson-powered 63 was a step outside the box for the builder and didn’t seem to jibe with the Sundancer mission. Others, though, view the yacht as a true original, a real luxury cruiser with a sophisticated propulsion system that continues to turn heads and generate conversation in ports around the world today.
SPECIFICATIONS
Length 62’6″ • Beam 15’9″ • Draft 3’11” • Deadrise 19 deg • Displacement 63,500 lbs • Fuel 1,061 gal. • Water 200 gal.


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Sea Ray Semi-Custom: Sundancer and Sunsport​

Written by: Kim Kavin on March 22, 2014.
Category: Antique and Classic | 3 Min Read
Sea Ray just introduced a new flagship at the 2014 Miami Yacht & Brokerage Show: a 65-foot flybridge yacht. The LOA may not seem so significant today, when Pershing, Azimut and other competitors in the express cruiser category have offerings well into the 80- and 100-foot range, but most people envision boats like the Sea Ray 250 SLX or the 260 Sundancer, when they think of this company. And the last time Sea Ray got into larger sizes—and even semi-custom production, to some degree—the builder was way ahead of the curve.
This Sea Ray 630 has unusual features, like surface-piercing drives and an extra aft cabin.
The 630 Sundancer was in production for much of the 1990s, which was about a quarter-century ago. It was a great boat, but Sea Ray had a problem selling it: In the days of Baywatch babes and President Bill Clinton, 60-plus feet of boat seemed downright enormous.
“Back then, that was a huge boat,” says Mike Ehrlich, a longtime broker with MarineMax in Florida. “They were just too expensive to build. The big boats were hand built, less production like the smaller models. The dealers liked them, but production was a problem. We sold maybe six of the 630s a year—and that’s a really small number for us.”
Here’s the good news, then, for 630 Sundancers on the brokerage market today: They tend to be a bit more custom-built than newer boats in the same size range, and they tend to have owners, at least original ones, who believed in paying for quality. One example is Paper Chase, a 1996 Sea Ray 630 Sundancer for sale through broker John Curry at Upper Chesapeake Yacht Sales in Maryland. Paper Chase is one of about a dozen 630s that were built with Arneson surface drives coupled to Cat diesels.
“Sea Ray built the 630 Sundancer and the 630 Sunsport,” Curry explains. “The difference is that if it’s a 630 Sundancer, it has the Arneson drives. The 630 Sunsport had standard drives. It made a big difference in the boat. When they went to the Arneson drives, they pushed the engines back farther, and that gave them room for a traditional aft cabin. The direct-drive boats don’t have that aft cabin. All the way back by the transom, they had a crew cabin with a double bunk. From my perspective and most buyers’ perspective, it’s not nearly as desirable as the Sundancer with the Arnesons. It has two good-sized cabins.”
The Arneson drives also gave the 630 a shallower draft and better fuel efficiency when compared with the Sunsport, and interior volume allowed for a dinette on the Sundancer that is lacking on the Sunsport model. Sea Ray built the 630 Sundancer with Arnesons from 1995 until 1999, Curry says, and given how few of them exist, they can be tough to find on the brokerage market. Most recently, one or two have been listed at about $370,000—which is nearly $100,000 more than the owner of Paper Chase is asking at $274,900.
“The positives on Paper Chase are that it’s been a freshwater boat,” Curry says. “It’s a low-hour boat with 700 or 800 original [engine] hours, the gelcoat’s in great shape, and the bottom’s in great shape—but it could use some updating on fabrics and electronics. All the fabrics, the upholstery, the electronics, they’re all original. It’s not a boat that somebody has put stuff into over the past 15 years, so it’s all original equipment to be replaced.”
Paper Chase’s owner, who is in his 70s, is retiring after a lifetime of boating and is willing to consider offers, Curry says. Contact the broker via the boat’s listing.

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1999-sea-ray-630-sundancer-9183646/

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1995-sea-ray-630-sundancer-9177719/

amazing video:

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RWS

Sorry, I got off on a tangent and hijacked the thread - I'm not usually a dreamer...........

AND NOW WE RETURN YOU TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM

 

[bobeast]

I remember when 100,000 miles was the upper end of life for most vehicles. There is definitely something to be said for technology.

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

and when spark plugs were replaced every 8,000-12,000 miles.

 

[blaster]

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What have I missed?

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RWS

You missed that you can start it after a nuclear explosion, and girls in bikinis like big boats.