What happened to the America my father loved?

[M Prod]

There is? What news site is telling you this? Seems to be a major issue in MI and PA of not allowing Republican observers to oversee ballots, especially questionable ones.

You know and I know if the rolls were reversed, cities would be on fire right now.

Nothing to see in here....
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There are equal parts Republican and Democrat observers in every room. The Secretary of State and the Elections Supervisor in Georgia are Republicans. Republican officials are all over this counting process in every state. There are multiple cameras in every counting room that even you can access and watch what’s happening. Including the station in Detroit which you posted photos of. The claims of wide spread fraud are baseless and false ..and frankly ridiculous. And sad. Anyone not on a steady diet of Trump lies and Fox News can see that.

 

[OllieC]

There are equal parts Republican and Democrat observers in every room. The Secretary of State and the Elections Supervisor in Georgia are Republicans. Republican officials are all over this counting process in every state. There are multiple cameras in every counting room that even you can access and watch what’s happening. Including the station in Detroit which you posted photos of. The claims of wide spread fraud are baseless and false ..and frankly ridiculous. And sad. Anyone not on a steady diet of Trump lies and Fox News can see that.

Uh...you are incorrect......There are videos and photos of observers being removed, not allowed and/or being placed at 100' or more from the ballot counters. The videos aren't 4th hand from an unnamed source .......and no, especially in Philly, there are no cameras ...but we will find out, won't we.

Here's an example.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...nter-tensions-flare-marquez-elexnight-vpx.cnn

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...o-leave-continued-to-count-ballots-in-secret/

Then we have sharpies given to voters invalidating votes........this will be interesting.

 

[Golfman25]

This is Florida 2000 all over again. What is a valid vote? A hanging chad, dimpled chad, pregnant chad? Except here it is the validation of the incoming mail in vote itself. Is the signature valid? How do we know? Was there a D and a R reviewing and agreeing on each ballot, like they did in Florida 2000?

See when I vote in person there are the poll workers and representatives from the Ds and the Rs. If I show up and there is a question about my validity (say my signature is a little off), the D & R have a chance to look at it to make sure the poll worker is following proper protocol.

 

[M Prod]

So it was just rigged for Trump but not the house and Senate?

I see. Very compelling. Makes perfect sense

 

[OllieC]

So it was just rigged for Trump but not the house and Senate?

I see. Very compelling. Makes perfect sense

It is interesting isn't it........ Just like Russia gave Trump the election, but Hillary the popular vote.

One thing is for sure, neither side will say this is legitimate any way it goes......I imagine that to be the plan all along. So who has the less to lose with such a plan?

 

[OllieC]

 

[Golfman25]

So it was just rigged for Trump but not the house and Senate?

I see. Very compelling. Makes perfect sense

Took out McSalley and James in Michigan. And two runoffs in GA. The senate ain't over yet.

 

[M Prod]

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Foreign interference and election rigging are not the same thing. I don’t believe Republicans rigged the 2016 election.

 

[OllieC]

Foreign interference and election rigging are not the same thing. I don’t believe Republicans rigged the 2016 election.

How do you know we don't have foreign interference? Are you the Great Karnak?
If it's not rigged, you shouldn't have a problem with Republicans and/or the DOJ investigating and verifying claims of fraud and abuse, as well as the close state elections being recounted with everyones party present, and not in closed rooms with only Biden supporters - right?

 

[Iprof]

How do you know we don't have foreign interference? Are you the Great Karnak?
If it's not rigged, you shouldn't have a problem with Republicans and/or the DOJ investigating and verifying claims of fraud and abuse, as well as the close state elections being recounted with everyones party present, and not in closed rooms with only Biden supporters - right?

Your sounding desperate today. You know that the process that a ballot goes though is fair for both sides and is observed by both sides. Trump needs to put his big boy pants on and wait for the results to come in rather than trying to stop the count which is never going to happen.

 

[Golfman25]

Foreign interference and election rigging are not the same thing. I don’t believe Republicans rigged the 2016 election.

YHGTBSM. A little revisionist history there. WTF was the whole Russia - Trump collusion narrative about.

 

[M Prod]

How do you know we don't have foreign interference? Are you the Great Karnak?
If it's not rigged, you shouldn't have a problem with Republicans and/or the DOJ investigating and verifying claims of fraud and abuse, as well as the close state elections being recounted with everyones party present, and not in closed rooms with only Biden supporters - right?

You're putting words in my mouth. And I am being respectful so not sure why you feel the need to start with insults. Let's keep this civilized. We do have foreign interference. 19 of our intelligence agencies have said as much.. If you read my post again, I just said it isn't the same thing as one party or another flat our rigging an election.

I look forward to anyone investigating this election and the rulings that will follow in court.

 

[M Prod]

YHGTBSM. A little revisionist history there. WTF was the whole Russia - Trump collusion narrative about.

Once again ...Russia did interfere with the 2016 election and they most definitely interfered with this one as well with a social media disinformation campaign. So far as collusion? A lot of people in Trump's inner-circle went to jail for various reasons surrounding it, so you draw your own conclusions on that one. I'm not going to waste time arguing about that.

What I don't believe is that the Republican party through some grand scheme 'rigged' the 2016 election with mass fraudulent ballots as is being suggested that the Dems did with this one.

 

[Golfman25]

Once again ...Russia did interfere with the 2016 election and they most definitely interfered with this one as well with a social media disinformation campaign. So far as collusion? A lot of people in Trump's inner-circle went to jail for various reasons surrounding it, so you draw your own conclusions on that one. I'm not going to waste time arguing about that.

What I don't believe is that the Republican party through some grand scheme 'rigged' the 2016 election with mass fraudulent ballots as is being suggested that the Dems did with this one.

With the margins of victory, you don't need mass fraudulent ballots. But I get it. Republicans collude. Democrats are honest.

 

[Iprof]

With the margins of victory, you don't need mass fraudulent ballots. But I get it. Republicans collude. Democrats are honest.

Yawn

 

[firecadet613]

Once again ...Russia did interfere with the 2016 election and they most definitely interfered with this one as well with a social media disinformation campaign. So far as collusion? A lot of people in Trump's inner-circle went to jail for various reasons surrounding it, so you draw your own conclusions on that one. I'm not going to waste time arguing about that.

What I don't believe is that the Republican party through some grand scheme 'rigged' the 2016 election with mass fraudulent ballots as is being suggested that the Dems did with this one.

I suggest you watch "The Plot Against Our President" and do some research...

 

[Carpediem44DB]

Fraudulent/Stolen = "we're counting all the ballots and a majority of the people are voting in a way I don't like."

There are equal parts Republican and Democrat watchers in every room, at every counting station. One Republican, one Democrat, and two independents review and process each and every ballot. The two Republicans that were removed in Detroit were shouting "Stop the counting!" and were inhibiting the process. So they were removed and immediately replaced with two other Republicans.

Nothing is being stolen. I suppose if Trump were winning, everything would be legit. And he still might win.

I don't think people are necessarily claiming that the ballot counters are manipulating the count or not counting Trump ballots or republican ballots. The question is, is every ballot a valid ballot filled out by a registered voter or are there thousands of ballots filled out by others IE, the undead neighbor of a deceased voter that is still on the rolls ECT. The mail in ballot system is fine when limited to absentees but when it is a significant percentage of the votes there is just too much room for fraud. Im just getting so tired of the whole damn thing. What do we think would happen if when it is all said and done, Trump actually pulls out a win by the narrowest of margins? The Dems are just going to roll over and shrug their shoulders as say well better luck in 2024? NO! there will be crying and cities set afire across the land. Sorry to say but I am for just letting the Dems have it and see them Fuck the country for a few years and the Republicans will run Eric Trump and any white Female in 2024 and we can repair what we can then.
Carpe Diem

 

[Golfman25]

Yawn

Exactly. Fools like you believe Russia colluded with Trump to swing the election his way. But in no way can accept that democrats can do illegal things to swing the vote their way. Just pick if fkg lane.

 

[Golfman25]

I don't think people are necessarily claiming that the ballot counters are manipulating the count or not counting Trump ballots or republican ballots. The question is, is every ballot a valid ballot filled out by a registered voter or are there thousands of ballots filled out by others IE, the undead neighbor of a deceased voter that is still on the rolls ECT. The mail in ballot system is fine when limited to absentees but when it is a significant percentage of the votes there is just too much room for fraud. Im just getting so tired of the whole damn thing. What do we think would happen if when it is all said and done, Trump actually pulls out a win by the narrowest of margins? The Dems are just going to roll over and shrug their shoulders as say well better luck in 2024? NO! there will be crying and cities set afire across the land. Sorry to say but I am for just letting the Dems have it and see them Fuck the country for a few years and the Republicans will run Eric Trump and any white Female in 2024 and we can repair what we can then.
Carpe Diem

Yes and no. That's what the Trump campaign is missing. The fraud occurred before the count. Fraudulent ballots have been submitted. There is no way to prove it. So it's too late.

The Republicans won't be running Eric Trump or any Trump. They have had enough of that. The next Republican nominee will take the Trump positions (populist conservativism) and place a more diplomatic tone around them. Guys like Regan could do it -- that's the model. I don't know who currently in the Republican party can do it at this point. Will be interesting to see who emerges. Maybe a Nicki Haley? It won't be an Ivy league elite.

 

[Iprof]

Exactly. Fools like you believe Russia colluded with Trump to swing the election his way. But in no way can accept that democrats can do illegal things to swing the vote their way. Just pick if fkg lane.

Show me one post where I said Russia colluded with Trump dullard