What are the symptoms of a bad IAC?

Discussion in 'General Maintenance/Repair Questions' started by Nehalennia, Nov 13, 2008.

  1. Nehalennia

    Nehalennia New Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Marysville, WA
    2001 310DA twin 350 MAGs, Westerbeke 4.5KW
    Twin 350 MAG V-drives
    I believe Dave S carries a spare IAC on board, so I was wondering what the symptoms of a bad IAC are and what does it do exactly?

    I had mine replaced when the idle didn't come back down below 1000RPM after being on plane or above 2000RPM.
    I know it stands fro Idle Air Controller but are there other symptoms that anyone else has had?
     
  2. mvoellinger

    mvoellinger New Member

    618
    Aug 26, 2008
    Jacksonville, FL
    2002 260DA
    350 MAG w/ Bravo III
    I know on cars it can be any number of symptoms involving idle. A hunting idle where it bounces around, inability to idle cold without giving it some gas now and then, etc.
     
  3. Dave S

    Dave S Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Upstate South Carolina
    Boatless
    Boatless
    Todd

    I had two IAC failures and in both cases there were no advance warnings that I remember. One minute the boat would idle fine and the next minute it stalled and couldn't be re-started without advancing the throttle. As soon as the throttle was returned to idle, the motor would stall. However, I do recall a number of other threads on CSR where the symptoms were a bit different and a new IAC fixed it.

    Dave
     
  4. wish2fish

    wish2fish Active Member

    Dec 19, 2006
    Locust Creek, Ohio River mm 433
    2003 220BR
    5.0 MPI
    my situation was like dave's above. Worked fine all weekend and when I came off plane to pull the boat on Sunday the boat stalled.
     
  5. Fishnut

    Fishnut New Member

    509
    Jan 30, 2008
    Bonita Springs, Florida
    2006 240 Sundancer
    5.0 Mercruiser with Bravo III Drive
    I had one fail. The engine will stall in neutral or without the throttle pushed forward. You may also get an alarm of the every 2 minute type.

    As I understand it, the IAC regulates the air flow at low RPM's or idle by bypassing the throttle plate thus allowing the engine to operate at the low rpms which you need to do on fuel injector engines.
     
  6. eigcpa

    eigcpa New Member

    31
    Aug 26, 2007
    Monmouth Beach, NJ
    Sundancer 260 2003
    350 Mag BIII
    I had to have mine replaced this past summer. The engine alarm beeps, then engine would not idle. you could start and run it if you push the throttle forward without engaging the gears. As soon as I brought back to neutral it would stall. My marina confirmed its failure using the computerized diagnostic tool.
     
  7. Nehalennia

    Nehalennia New Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Marysville, WA
    2001 310DA twin 350 MAGs, Westerbeke 4.5KW
    Twin 350 MAG V-drives
    Thanks guys. Just curious what to look for since it seems to be a failure with somewhat common symptoms
     
  8. mwph

    mwph Active Member

    Jul 8, 2008
    Lake Guntersville, Tennessee River, Alabama
    1998 250 DA
    7.4L, B3
    And the cost of said controler is..................?
    And the difficulty of said install is................?
     
  9. Still LauCo

    Still LauCo New Member

    408
    Sep 20, 2007
    Grosse Pointe Farms, MI
    300 Sundancer 1996
    Twin 5.7L EFI Alpha One Drives
    I had to replace mine on the starboard side when the engine wouldn't re-start and when it finally did there was backfiring when I would try to advance the throttle.

    MWPH, I think it was about a $50 part, and install is very easy.
     
  10. Presentation

    Presentation New Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Wisconsin - Winnebago Pool chain of lakes
    280 Sundancer, Westerbeke MPV generator
    twin 5.0's w/BIII drives
    About $100 (I think I paid $89 at a dealer last year) or $200 if you are smart and buy a spare. (buy a new gasket also, couple of bucks)



    It’s a DIY (do it yourself job) and takes about 4 hours.

    Time breakdown for the novice:

    1 minutes to grab the newly purchased IAC and Allen wrench kit and walk from your car down the dock to your boat.

    3 hours and 53 minutes to stand on the dock with your new IAC in your hand as you talk to fellow dock mates explaining what you are going to do, your symptoms, how you read about doing this here at CSR.

    1 minute to open the hatch, remove the flame arrester, that thing that looks like a air filter on the top of that big black thing called a engine, 2 minutes for frustration as you cant find a silver colored object like the new IAC you are holding in your hand, then you get a few seconds of “Oh” as you realize its right there in front of you, its just been painted black like everything else, a minute to find the correct Allen wrench size from your kit, a minute to unscrew the screws, unplug the plug, remove the old IAC, replace with new IAC, re-screw, re-plug, and replace the flame arrester. 1 minutes to sit there and enjoy your job well done.

    Now, at the end I recommend you leave a few hours to stand by your boat with the old IAC in your hand to tell the new people coming down the dock what you did and how much money you saved by doing it yourself but since the job is done you can not count this time.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2008
  11. carterchapman

    carterchapman Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    Doug - that is great - ROFLMAO - 3+53 of the 4+00 standing on the dock talking!

    Great post!

    Carter
     
  12. douglee25

    douglee25 Active Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Cabrio
    Volvo Drivetrain
    The IAC valve is basically a controlled vacuum leak. It regulates the idle by allowing the intake plenum to vent to the atmosphere. Have you ever taken a vacuum hose off an engine while the engine is idling? What happens? The idle increases. The same principal is applied here.

    The IAC can fail in a couple different ways...

    1. The IAC can fail in the closed position. The engine will not idle (may just die when coming off plane) and more than likely, will not start without the throttle being cracked open.

    2. The IAC can fail in the open position. Mind you the IAC is not a discrete valve (on/off) but rather an analog device that varies with voltage. In this case if it fails, you will get an engine that has a high idle which will never return to its normal state.

    Hope this helps.

    Doug
     
  13. Larry&Leisa

    Larry&Leisa Active Member

    Oct 26, 2006
    Keystone Lake Oklahoma
    1999 330EC
    454's
    Is there any point in changing one out after so many hours or is it just something that either it works or it doesn't...?
     
  14. Nehalennia

    Nehalennia New Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Marysville, WA
    2001 310DA twin 350 MAGs, Westerbeke 4.5KW
    Twin 350 MAG V-drives
    This is great info guys, I'm glad I asked. I may go pick up a spare.
     
  15. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    yeah, it's one of those... spend a little now or a lot later, things. My first one went with a warning, second one went with no warning.
     
  16. Vince_nj1

    Vince_nj1 Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Aug 25, 2008
    North Barnegat Bay
    2006 320 V-Drives 6.2s, Bow Thruster, Generator, Raymarine C80, Radar, Fish Finder
    6.2 Horizons 320HP
    My boat is a 2006 with 6.2 Horizons which I believe are fuel injected. The last time I was on my boat I tried to start the engines without touching the throttles and they struggled to get get started. I featherd the throttles, got them started and then went back to idle and they stalled. I restarted them, got the RPMs up to around 1200 for about 30 seconds and then went back to idle and they stayed running.

    Is this normal for a fuel injected engine? Could I be having AIC issues? They run fine when warm, but I find it was odd that they needed a little help to start and stay running when cold.
     
  17. douglee25

    douglee25 Active Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Cabrio
    Volvo Drivetrain
    I believe your 7.4's are carbed, correct? IAC valves only apply to fuel injected motors.

    Doug
     
  18. douglee25

    douglee25 Active Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Cabrio
    Volvo Drivetrain
    They could be on their last leg. There are several different styles of IAC valves, but typically there is a pintle that moves in and out via a stepper motor. The pintle binds due to carbon buildup. That could be what's taking place on your setup. Try removing them and bench cleaning with some carb spray.

    Doug
     
  19. Larry&Leisa

    Larry&Leisa Active Member

    Oct 26, 2006
    Keystone Lake Oklahoma
    1999 330EC
    454's
    on the 370EC correct.... but the 240SD :smt001




    (but thanks.. I would have been looking all over... :smt100)
     
  20. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    I was led to believe that they generally last 2-4 years. one that went last year was original which meant it was 5 years old. the other one that went had already been replaced 3 years ago.
     

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