Toyota Tops Recalls Third Year in a Row

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Since the recent GM Brake thread has probably run it's course, at least until the true number of models affected is known, I figured I would share this tidbit I ran across this evening. It seems Toyota may have very well set a new record for itself, and while Ford stands at #2, I was honestly shocked to see Honda sitting at number 3.

Not saying that the Big Three do not have their share of problems, and admittedly, likely more than the Japannese brands overall, I find it interesting that as it turns out, maybe the imports aren't as "flawless" as some think after all.

The report goes on to say Consumer Reports has recommended the new 2012 Camry despite the recalls which is no suprise considering they seem to "recommend" whatever the new models are no matter who is making them, particularly if it in an import.

Personally I feel like Toyota and Honda do produce high quality cars. Although I cannot see myself ever buying one of Toyota's overrated (by them) trucks, I have pondered about an Accord more than once. I do think the days of Toyota sweeping problems "under the rug" have come to an end.


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Toyota in 2011 topped the recall list among automakers for the third year in a row.

This year Toyota, along with its Scion and Lexus sub-brands, had to recall 3.5 million vehicles, a tally that does not include the many vehicles for which Toyota also delivered technical service bulletins, which flag problems and defects that need fixing without rising to the level of recall.

Toyota again topped the list in a year when automakers as a whole got better, with total recalls declining from 17.2 million last year to 13 million this year, according to WardsAuto.

The Japanese automaker's two big problems were replacing and fixing swiveling floor mats that impaired the acceleration in a Lexus and a catchy throttle that netted unintended power boosts.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration hit Toyota with hefty fines because of its sluggish response to safety concerns.

By comparison, Ford recalled 3.2 million vehicles and Honda placed third in recalls with 2 million.

But the net effect of this negative distinction could be most damaging for Toyota. That's not to say the brand can't recover.

"It is surprising to many that Toyota leads automakers in recalls because the company has such a strong reputation for quality," says AOL Autos Editor-in-Chief David Kiley. "But it is that reputation and track record that has a lot of its customers willing to give Toyota plenty of chances to get things right."

Toyota's floormat and throttle problems were the biggest quality set-back in the company's history. But it seems to be getting things back on track. Consumer Reports recently recommended the new 2012 Camry, and though Lexus lost the title of top-selling luxury brand to Mercedes in 2011, the much-lauded redesign of the Lexus GS should help the brand gain some lost ground in the new year.

Toyota and Lexus sales in 2011 were also negatively impacted by the Japanese earthquake and tsunami, which damaged auto plants and Japan's transportation and energy infrastructure.
 
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Well I have to stand up... I have two toyota's *solara convt / fj cruiser* and I own two gm products. Silverado ext cab and a Sedan Devile. The only one I have ever had an issue with is the silverado and that was after 130,000 miles... "new head gaskets" but never have had an issue with any of them. people are going to have favorites I buy what I like... GF had a saturn veu for a year.. biggest POS I've ever seen but she bought it because it was cute...
 
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Third year in a row. What do you have to say about that GFC????
I stilll say what I said before in the missing brake pad thread....these are issues that were discovered well after the cars had been sold and driven for thousands of miles. That Toyota claimed to never have been able to duplicate the floor mat issue doesn't surprise me. What manufacturer would?

IMO that still pales in comparison to parts such as brake pads not being installed at the factory, and even worse is the cars with the missing brake pads making it through the final assembly inspections.

Then, when someone suggested the pads weren't installed because they lacked the union label was simply stupid. Whoever didn't install the brake pads should have the pads removed from the cars they drive every day. Except that would probably kill some innocent driver and his familly when the a^^hole couldn't stop in time.
 
I stilll say what I said before in the missing brake pad thread....these are issues that were discovered well after the cars had been sold and driven for thousands of miles. That Toyota claimed to never have been able to duplicate the floor mat issue doesn't surprise me. What manufacturer would?

IMO that still pales in comparison to parts such as brake pads not being installed at the factory, and even worse is the cars with the missing brake pads making it through the final assembly inspections.

Then, when someone suggested the pads weren't installed because they lacked the union label was simply stupid. Whoever didn't install the brake pads should have the pads removed from the cars they drive every day. Except that would probably kill some innocent driver and his familly when the a^^hole couldn't stop in time.

Yep....GM screwed up.....but unlike Toyota....No one Died!!! Just sayin......
 
Toyota's problems/errors/mistakes don't justify those of GM and Vice Versa. Where manufacturers fail to maintain appropriate levels of quality control or safety checks, they should be criticized. From the information given, it appears both GM and Toyota deserve the criticism they are receiving.
 
I stilll say what I said before in the missing brake pad thread....these are issues that were discovered well after the cars had been sold and driven for thousands of miles. That Toyota claimed to never have been able to duplicate the floor mat issue doesn't surprise me. What manufacturer would?

IMO that still pales in comparison to parts such as brake pads not being installed at the factory, and even worse is the cars with the missing brake pads making it through the final assembly inspections.


Then, when someone suggested the pads weren't installed because they lacked the union label was simply stupid. Whoever didn't install the brake pads should have the pads removed from the cars they drive every day. Except that would probably kill some innocent driver and his familly when the a^^hole couldn't stop in time.

Thanks for clearing that up GFC.

Like someone stated in the other thread... The drivetrain is sub-assembled at a suppliers factory and then packaged up in crates and sent to Lake Orion, MI. Then a GM assembly worker unloads the system and loads it to a fixture. Once in the fixture the sub is bolted up and the car moves on to the next station. It would be very unlikely that the human would be able to discover a missing brake pad. There are hundreds of small parts in this package. GM has to rely on its suppliers to deliver a quality part everytime.

I am not sure yet how this one car made it out of the factory, into the storage lot and then on to a car carrier and then off the carrier at the dealership and then driven to the rental car shop and then somehow off the rental car lot to be driven by the end user. So, 4 people drove the car before the problem was discovered.
 
Well, for this statistic to mean anything, one needs to consider the ratios or total number of vehicals per manufacturer. My bet is there are more Toyota vehicles avalible for recalls...
 
I am not sure yet how this one car made it out of the factory, into the storage lot and then on to a car carrier and then off the carrier at the dealership and then driven to the rental car shop and then somehow off the rental car lot to be driven by the end user. So, 4 people drove the car before the problem was discovered.

What leaps out at me is RENTAL.

How many *renters* drove this car before the problem manifested itself?
 
It is not impossible they were installed, but came out for some reason. While there are things that makes this somewhat unlikely, it is not impossible. Perhaps there is a problem with the design of the caliper or pad, or the way they were installed. Time will tell. BUT, it is a significant issue that is worthy of a reasonable level of alarm.
 
Lexus folks arguing with GM folk will get dirtied up pretty quickly.
 

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