Thoughts on using Honda generator

appreciate the answers - especially sfergsons #205!
by the way, how do you quote other messages, i cant seem to figure it out.
 
berth control said:
appreciate the answers - especially sfergsons #205!
by the way, how do you quote other messages, i cant seem to figure it out.
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Toggle the Quote Button on the lower right side of this message window.

Everything between the brackets ] and [ will be quoted. You can delete any text as needed inbetween those brackets.
 
I just press the Multi option button first for all posts I wish to include in the thread, and then I hit quote on the last item I wish to quote.

For yours Berth Control I pressed Multi, and the for uplate I pressed Quote

berth control said:
appreciate the answers - especially sfergsons #205!
by the way, how do you quote other messages, i cant seem to figure it out.
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Uplate said:
Toggle the Quote Button on the lower right side of this message window.

Everything between the brackets ] and [ will be quoted. You can delete any text as needed inbetween those brackets.
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240da said:
Since I started this "discussion" (ref. post #1) I think we can consider the subject fully (and then some) vented (pun intended)!

Bottom line: CO is dangerous. CO can kill you. Reading some of these inane responses may make you wish you were dead!

That is all.:smt043
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That will learn ya. :grin:

Now if you want to have some real fun, ask a question about bypassing the hot water heater. No never mind!
 
comsnark said:
I believe ambient CO2 level in the US is on order of 350-450ppm. (or whatever. . . . I don't care what the real number is)

Not sure I would be concerned until it reaches about 20,000ppm (2%) at which point it will probably impact ambient O2 levels. . . .
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Nehalennia said:
Are you talking about CO or CO2?
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I am talking about CO2.

While you can purchase CO detectors at Home Despot, I am pretty sure you can't buy retail CO2 detectors.

Ambient CO2 is in the 350ppm to 450ppm range. CO2 is NOT chemically inert, but it is very benign. CO2 is not really hazardous until the concentration reaches a point that it displaces the O2 in the air you breath.

The fizz in the soda you drink is CO2. . . it also makes the drink slighly acidic. If you run soda water in carbon steel pipes. . eventually the pipes will corrode out.

Yes. . there are liquid CO2 tankers running around. Mostly heading to Pepsi and Coke bottlers (except I think they mostly get it by rail). If you see a wrecked CO2 tanker on the road.. .the vapor cloud isn't hazardous except that the cloud will be low in breathable air. And the cloud could be very cold. You have an identical hazard from all the Liquid N2 tankers running around the country. Except that Liquid N2 is far colder.

Ambient CO is in the range of zero. It was posted before, I think the "concern" level for CO is in the range of 25ppm or so. Certainly, I leave the area if I see a CO reading of 25ppm.

Yes, ther are a number of industrial uses for industrial CO. Back around 2000, there was only one very minor producer that shipped liquid CO on the road. All the major producers are not crazy enough to do it. It is simply too dangerous if you get the tanker into a traffic accident.
 
ok 22 pages... now just to be clear - I'm ok if use a portable generator right?

just can't resist...:smt024
 
Metabolically and simplistically, the hemoglobin in the blood, that is the red blood cells, readily absorb oxygen in the lung and in doing so, release carbon dioxide. This is because oxygen binds better to hemoglobin than does carbon dioxide. The body produces carbon dioxide when it uses the oxygen in the blood to oxidize organics, which is how the body "burns fuel." (Organics are carbon based, that's where the C in CO2 comes from. The O2 part is obviously oxygen.) Unfortunately, carbon monoxide binds even more readily to blood hemoglobin than does oxygen. Thus small amounts of carbon monoxide will gradually displace oxygen in the bloodstream, as carbon dioxide is exchanged for carbon monoxide. Since carbon monoxide cannot be used by the body to oxidize organics, the body begins to lose function since it's not able to use food for energy.

This is why even small amounts of CO have a poisoning effect over a long period of time. It takes longer for CO to replace O2 and CO2 in the bloodstream than when the CO concentration is higher. But CO will eventually supplant enough oxygen to cause death if the exposure is sufficiently prolonged.

Best regards,
Frank
 
fc3 said:
Metabolically and simplistically, the hemoglobin in the blood, that is the red blood cells, readily absorb oxygen in the lung and in doing so, release carbon dioxide. This is because oxygen binds better to hemoglobin than does carbon dioxide. The body produces carbon dioxide when it uses the oxygen in the blood to oxidize organics, which is how the body "burns fuel." (Organics are carbon based, that's where the C in CO2 comes from. The O2 part is obviously oxygen.) Unfortunately, carbon monoxide binds even more readily to blood hemoglobin than does oxygen. Thus small amounts of carbon monoxide will gradually displace oxygen in the bloodstream, as carbon dioxide is exchanged for carbon monoxide. Since carbon monoxide cannot be used by the body to oxidize organics, the body begins to lose function since it's not able to use food for energy.

This is why even small amounts of CO have a poisoning effect over a long period of time. It takes longer for CO to replace O2 and CO2 in the bloodstream than when the CO concentration is higher. But CO will eventually supplant enough oxygen to cause death if the exposure is sufficiently prolonged.

Best regards,
Frank
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Cliffnote version: You gonna die.......:thumbsup:
 
Which brings to mind. Wonder if there is a comparison ratio as to the amount of CO2 given off by portable Generators vs. installed Gensets. I am hoping that they cover this topic on the next episode of CSI. Catherine would know.
 
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chollyjohn said:
Which brings to mind. Wonder if there is a comparison ratio as to the amount of CO2 given off by portable Generators vs. installed Gensets. I am hoping that they cover this topic on the next episode of CSI. Catherine would know.
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Would those be the newer gensets with catalytic converters or the older ones without? Makes a difference
 
Enough...Anyone that wants to use a portable generator....do so.....We have too many boaters as it is now! This way we can cull the herd. Darwin at his best !
 
Thank you for your insight. I did not realize that I had to run my thoughts through you prior to posting. Please have Wes or someone make an announcement indicating you are the new forum sensor.
 
240da said:
Vetteboy:

Your comments are not helpful to the discussion and "cull the herd" is beneath this forum.:smt009
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Really?

Any way: ONE mo' time:

CO = Carbon MONoxide = bad
CO2 = Carbon DIoxide = fine.

To help keep it straight: You can burn CO to produce CO2. You can't burn CO2.

You burn hydrocarbons to make CO2 and water. Do it wrong. . you get a little bit (parts per million) of CO in the mix.
 
Vette:

It is a sad commentary that apparently you do need someone to help you understand what makes an appropriate comment!
 
vetteboy said:
Thank you for your insight. I did not realize that I had to run my thoughts through you prior to posting. Please have Wes or someone make an announcement indicating you are the new forum sensor.
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Sensor or censor? A Censor is a kind of editor. A sensor is a kind of detector on one end and with a wire stuck up its... other end
 
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