The official '99-'04 260DA Sundancer thread

laportto said:
I ended up getting the mid cabin panel off and routing the remote thru the ec no problem but I'm still trying to find some zephyr king starboard. I did confirm with SeaRay that the color is zephyr which was a custom SR color but might be close to nickel but I can't find either anybody have any ideas?
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If you find it, let me know. I'm looking, too. The one thing I have not yet done is contact King directly.
 
Hi! Does anyone know where the fuse for the Smartcraft transducer fuse is on a 2004 Sundancer 260? My system doesn't "see" the fuse and the smartcraft and Aimar people both said said that the fuse is most likely the issue.

I looked all over and can"t see it behind the gauges or down in the engine room where the transducer is... Please PM me if you have any information.

Thanks!!​
 
Recommend a suitable aircon package for 1999 260DA

Hello 260DA owners!! New to this club, just bought a 1999 260DA w/o any aircon system.
Need to install a suitable unit before exporting to Singapore. Any recommendations?
Was recommended the Mermaid 9000btu with a Honda genset, where to install? In the cabin or the engine compartment etc, all advise will be greatly appreciated

Cheers...:smt038
 
Re: Recommend a suitable aircon package for 1999 260DA

Sunmoonstars said:
Hello 260DA owners!! New to this club, just bought a 1999 260DA w/o any aircon system.
Need to install a suitable unit before exporting to Singapore. Any recommendations?
Was recommended the Mermaid 9000btu with a Honda genset, where to install? In the cabin or the engine compartment etc, all advise will be greatly appreciated

Cheers...:smt038
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Cheers to you as well. If you are serious here is the answer by one of our best posters. If this is a joke... :smt021

fwebster said:
I posted this a couple of times in the past, but can’t seem to find it. These posts were in threads asking about portables and comparing them to permanent mount marine generators. I just don’t want to argue with folks who don’t seem grasp the total risk in using portables on boats. For me, its about understanding the risk, then making a smart decision, not about arguing ad infinitum on an internet forum. So here are the comments I posted but happened to save. Maybe they will answer your questions: (hope the formatting works)

Post #1: about portable generator risks-

1.Carbon Monoxide (CO) is present with all generators, but on portables, the exhaust is discharged at the generator, within an inch or so of the exhaust port on the cylinder. The exhaust system on a portable generator is usually constructed of non-marine alloys that can rust through after brief exposure to a salt water environment.ﰀ There is no engineered system to remove the exhaust from near occupied spaces. When placed on a swim platform, normal air flow can cause a station wagon effect and suck CO into the cockpit or cabin. While the same problem may exist with marine generators, the exhaust is mixed with cooling water and is discharged well away from occupied space at or near the waterline and is usually cleared by wind or sea breezes.


2. Fuel Systems on Honda's and other portables are vented to the atmosphere, not internally as with marine generator installations. That means explosive gasoline vapor is released at the generator, usually through a vent in the fuel fill cap. There is also the risk of a fuel spill if the generator is upset or you encounter rough seas or a large wake when the generator is close to full.

Their carburetors have a bowl drain that releases fuel inside the generator case. That means where you run it, store it or put it under way will have gasoline fumes released in the area and if the bowl drain leaks, you have raw fuel spilled.

Portable generators has simple fuel fittings and single ply fuel lines attached with hose clamps, both are substantial risks to fuel leakage if the generator isn’t new and has been around a while. Marine generators have USCG approved double ply braided fuel lines with swaged on end fittings that thread into the generator fuel pump.

3. Ignition Protection – None of the electrical components on portables are ignition protected. Marine generator electrical components are.

4. Shock Hazard Exposure –Portable generators pose an additional shock hazard since the portable is not grounded to the boat or to a shore side ground. Likely not a problem with a drill or power tool, but if you connect it to your boat's AC system, you have essentially disconnected the green wire. Yes, most portables sold today have 3-wire systems. Where the problem lies is that the portable generator is not part of the global ground when you plug in. When you plug into shore power you are also plugging into the ground for the entire local power system. When using a stationary mounted marine generator away from the dock, your boat is its own ground system. Even if the portable has GFI circuitry, they won’t work if there isn’t a continuous ground system. I think real risk here is that while the boat owner may understand grounding, not everyone on the boat….kids, wives, girl friends, helpful (?)guests…..usually don’t.

Additionally, most portable generators now use invertors. An inverter drives both line and neutral so it is possible to have voltage between neutral and ground. With ground bonded to the boat's bonding system, which mean to the water, this means a shock hazard may exist that normally should not.





Post #2: Its not about whose right or wrong, but about understanding the risks.

For me this whole discussion is not about who does what, how they try to suffocate themselves or blow themselves up, but it is about our responsibility as knowledgeable boaters to help others, who are not as experienced, learn from what is posted on CSR. Almost anything we do in life has some risk associated with it. Just because my car has 180 on the speedometer doesn't mean I drive that fast. Safe boating is all about fully understanding risk and avoiding all the risky behavior that you can.

When we advocate taking unnecessary risks, what kind of example are we setting for those who are new to the sport or who are non-technical and just want take their family boating?

However, I do get weary of these discussions turning into World War III when some of the more experienced CSR members take the time to answer an innocent question about using portable generators on boats with irrefutable facts. Because some of you have used portable generators and have not yet blown your ass off or asphyxiated your families does not make me wrong, elitist, stupid or corny, any more than it makes you right.

Honestly, I think part of the check and balance on the accuracy of the information contained on CSR is when the pros and cons on subjects like this are discussed. Those of us who feel that portable generators are inappropriate on boats would be negligent if we did not highlight the risks. I am also concerned enough about those risks that I would never agree with their use on a boat because of the potential liability.

And, for the record, I do own and regularly use a Honda EU series generator.......but the last place you will ever see it is on my boat.


Here is some interesting reading on this subject:







USCG warning Re: CO poisoning

http://www.doubleangel.org/documents...thFigures_.pdf


USCG circular 80

http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/pdfs/BSC80.pdf


USCG circular 68

http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/pdfs/bscscan68a.pdf


USCG Alert on CO from generator exhaust

http://www.uscgboating.org/alerts/alertsview.aspx?id=8


Data on CO deaths:

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/portgen.pdf


http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/pdfs/BSC74.pdf

Shows design and performance issues causing CO problems
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Re: Recommend a suitable aircon package for 1999 260DA

2000 260DA - question on apparent leaking shower drain:

While winterizing my 260, the marina left me a vm informing me that the 'shower drain was leaking into the sump box and because of that they were unable to add antifreeze to it'. Before I have them look into it further, how nasty of a repair job is this? We never used the shower and hence not the shower sump pump, so we never noticed anything.

I generally do all the maintenance on everything I own, but we just bought the boat a couple of months ago (moved up from a 185 Sport), and I'm not up to speed on all the various systems on the 260, so that's why I hired out the winterizing for this year. Thanks in advance.
 
Kilroy... Ask for more clarification. The shower is supposed to drain into the sump box. Did they mean that the sump box is leaking into the forward bilge? It might be that the sump box is leaking so fast that it is no filling up enough to be pumped out. But, they could backfill it from the outside, so I don't understand what the problem is. Need more clarification.

look under your cabin step-down (pull out the trash can) and you'll see the sump box.
 
Will do. I've seen the sump box but we've never used the shower so haven't checked the sump pump to see if it even works. I do recall seeing a bit of moisture on the outside of that sump box a week or two ago, however; does anything else drain into that sump box? This boat has no heat or AC.
 
Your cabin sink drains into there, as well.
 
It does? Okay, I thought that went out the portside. Anyway, just talked to the shop foreman, and he said there was definitely some kind of leak in the corrugated line between the shower floor drain and the sump box, so when they put antifreeze in the floor drain, it didn't all make it to the sump box. Nothing that can't wait until next spring to fix, though, so I held off on getting any kind of estimate. I'll just add it to the never-ending list for next year ;-) I would guess there's a trick to removing some of the panels to gain access to that area...
 
On some boat models, it does go directly out... But not on ours. Although, the head sink does go directly out on our model.

Yes, no big deal - it can wait. Check that they poured pink into the cabin sink - you should see a deep pink color in the sump box.

It's relatively easy to get to that corrugated hose. The carpeted panel directly below the head door is only held in place win a few screws. Feel around at the corners for the screw heads (they get hidden in the carpet).
 
On mine the only thing that drains into the sump is the shower. all the sinks drain directly overboard.
 
Westie said:
On mine the only thing that drains into the sump is the shower. all the sinks drain directly overboard.
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Are you positive? I'll double check mine when I get home.
 
Re: Recommend a suitable aircon package for 1999 260DA

I've only had mine a couple years, but i think what is being described is the purpose of that sump. The water drain from the head sink goes direct to a thru hull fitting, but the drain for the shower which is in the corner of the head floor drains into a sump box that is located under the step down into the cabin. You may have a garbage can under when you open the step, if you lift the garbage can out you should see the gray water sump. If you have access to the original owners manuals the diagrams are located on pages 11 & 12. If you don't have them and you can't get them from the SR site let me know and i can email them to you.

Hope this helps.
 
Westie, I just double checked and my galley sink does drain into the sump. Although, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Sea Ray changed the design over the years that this model 260DA was made. To be honest, I never understood why the galley sink didn't drain directly overboard... it seems like it's high enough over the water line, anyways.
 
Dennis : they must have changed the design then because mine, without a doubt, drains directly overboard. Makes more sense too, Why let it drain down to a sump only to pump it back up and out?
 
Westie said:
Dennis : they must have changed the design then because mine, without a doubt, drains directly overboard. Makes more sense too, Why let it drain down to a sump only to pump it back up and out?
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Westie/Dennis it seems there were two options looking at the user manual. One drains in the sump and the other directly overboard. Mine definitely drains directly overboard.
 
RonG said:
Westie/Dennis it seems there were two options looking at the user manual. One drains in the sump and the other directly overboard. Mine definitely drains directly overboard.
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So, in your manual it shows BOTH ways? Interesting. I just checked my manual and it ONLY shows draining directly overboard (even though it doesn't actually do that in my boat).

I wonder if this discrepancy is due to where a particular boat was made. Mine was a Phoenix boat. The 4th letter in the HIN is "A"... SER"A"...
 
Lazy Daze said:
So, in your manual it shows BOTH ways? Interesting. I just checked my manual and it ONLY shows draining directly overboard (even though it doesn't actually do that in my boat).

I wonder if this discrepancy is due to where a particular boat was made. Mine was a Phoenix boat. The 4th letter in the HIN is "A"... SER"A"...
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Yes on page 12 fig 12.1 shows a pic of the grey water line routing and it says optional....that shows the sink going to the sump. I could be reading it wrong but that's what it looks like to me. It is a bit confusing because it says galley sink hose route to shower sump but points to a hose in the bilge which looks like it comes from the waste tank. Wierd! My boat was made in Phoenix and also starts with SERA....
 
Re: Recommend a suitable aircon package for 1999 260DA

I just downloaded the manual from SR. Thanks!
 
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