The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

Your problem is you think I based my purchase decision on the AOC. You think all EV owners do this.

so let me get this straight. I believe in the Sky is falling BS yet I own a boat with two v8 engines, another boat with an outboard, a jeep and a truck. Oh and ONE EV. Let that sink in. Yet I’m a sucker for the AOC. Piss off why that argument already. You know way more about their sales pitch than I do. Because I don’t listen to it. Day in and day out

EV jobs are also in the development of the ancillary devices as well as the research. Not just the cars.
 
jmauld said:
Your problem is you think I based my purchase decision on the AOC. You think all EV owners do this.

so let me get this straight. I believe in the Sky is falling BS yet I own a boat with two v8 engines, another boat with an outboard, a jeep and a truck. Oh and ONE EV. Let that sink in. Yet I’m a sucker for the AOC. Piss off why that argument already. You know way more about their sales pitch than I do. Because I don’t listen to it. Day in and day out

EV jobs are also in the development of the ancillary devices as well as the research. Not just the cars.
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Sure, you keep tap dancing around the issues in an attempt to "defend" the current narrative around EVs, which you say you don't listen to. Just accept the fact that EVs at this point are a limited option for certain drivers. They have both benefits and downsides (downsides that are never talked about). And that our entire energy ecosystem should not be turned upside down to foist them upon the public.

Otherwise, I am convinced you want to date AOC. :)
 
Golfman25 said:
Sure, you keep tap dancing around the issues in an attempt to "defend" the current narrative around EVs, which you say you don't listen to. Just accept the fact that EVs at this point are a limited option for certain drivers. They have both benefits and downsides (downsides that are never talked about). And that our entire energy ecosystem should not be turned upside down to foist them upon the public.

Otherwise, I am convinced you want to date AOC. :)
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The real downsides are beat to death by the naysayers and agreed upon by the supporters. So what are you really looking for?

Are you also looking for us to acknowledge the BS?
 
jmauld said:
The real downsides are beat to death by the naysayers and agreed upon by the supporters. So what are you really looking for?

Are you also looking for us to acknowledge the BS?
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I am calling BS on your ascertain until you post multiple examples of beatings, much less beatings resulting in murder. How many of theses are you claiming occur per year?

This is a typical leftist tactic to try to stifle debate and it is ugly to do so…
 
jmauld said:
The real downsides are beat to death by the naysayers and agreed upon by the supporters. So what are you really looking for?

Are you also looking for us to acknowledge the BS?
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At this point, you're just trolling, not even trying to address any issues. Have fun with AOC.
 
jmauld said:
Check this out

https://electrek.co/2022/08/01/tesla-vehicles-increasing-hertzs-customer-satisfaction-evs-fleet/
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Ain’t that cute, a publication that is a cheerleader for EV’s…


“Electrek is a news and commentary site that is tracking, analyzing, and breaking news on the transition from fossil-fuel transport to electric transport.”

“Further, Electrek also covers the electric vehicle movement within the wider transition into green energy, and the impact of green energy and fossil fuels on the climate.”
 
Are you saying that customer satisfaction isn’t up?
 
ttmott said:
Yep
https://www.autoblog.com/article/electric-car-battery-recycling-reuse-storage/
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Looks to be a well written article without a ton of bias, which is very unusual these days.

There are several companies, some in the US, some in Europe that claim they can recover 90% of the materials in a battery pack. They don't often talk profitability though, other than redwood mentioning it:

https://insideevs.com/news/564366/jb-straubel-battery-recycling-profitability/

When I read that, it sounds like they may be recycling waste from the manufacturing process to reach profitability. It's not exactly clear to me. I guess that's not a bad thing, if they are using that to cover the costs of recovering the end-of use waste as well.
 
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jmauld said:
Looks to be a well written article without a ton of bias, which is very unusual these days.

There are several companies, some in the US, some in Europe that claim they can recover 90% of the materials in a battery pack. They don't often talk profitability though, other than redwood mentioning it:

https://insideevs.com/news/564366/jb-straubel-battery-recycling-profitability/

When I read that, it sounds like they may be recycling waste from the manufacturing process to reach profitability. It's not exactly clear to me. I guess that's not a bad thing, if they are using that to cover the costs of recovering the end-of use waste as well.
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Like I've said before SLA battery recycling has turned profitable but only due to two things - One, environmental concerns and Two, profitability. The second being a result of the first.
As raw materials become scarce, extracting them using more costly means (recycling) become viable. We see environmental pressure on all mining in the US and now social/political pressure on importing raw materials, all which weigh negativity on availability and cost.
I say that once the gloss of EVism is rubbed off that there will be surcharges on the batteries to make recycling a profitable venture. But, this is a pragmatic view and out of context of recent posts.
 
I still think that the end of life for an EV battery is a scenario where the battery isn't dead. These batteries aren't "dead" like a lead acid starter battery is when it dies. It's just no longer useful to an EV. As long as they still retain 60-70% of the EV batteries still retain value as a battery. The second owner of the battery absorbs the additional loss over 10-15yrs.

Now, I'm not sure that this use case can scale to millions of batteries, but it currently works today.
 
MonacoMike said:
And more bad news the “pollution free” bullshit crowd will brush under the rug. The truth is EV’s are a pollution nightmare but they deny this all the time.

“The two main methods for recycling batteries involve either extreme temperatures or acid. Both processes generate emissions and create waste, which can end up in the environment.”
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“At the same time, recycling batteries is not cheap, efficient, nor quick. That will change in time, but for now, there’s work to do.”

Remember when I said this movement was a jobs program.

Also I can see you adding these emissions up but you would be making a mistake of counting mining AND recycling in the emissions total of an EV. Recycling IS mining and the recycling emissions would get added to the next vehicle to use the materials. Or a phone, or a hearing aide or whatever the battery finds it’s way into.
 
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