That sounds about right. Cash for clunkers and stimulus jobs exaggerated

Is this your witty way of calling me a P E N I S brain too? Why the subtlety, why not just throw it out there?

Hey, how come you log in and log out so much? Seems pretty disingenuous if you ask me…

Why did you ask me if I have ever slept with another man? I truly feel that was crossing the line Gary…it is getting old.
 
Four Suns said:
or some P E N I S brain who owns a four winns.

Maybe you should become a "Wall Street jerk" so you don't feel so inadequate...

All this bail out and stimulus money is total BS.. No one should get any "free money"...
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I agree with you that most of this stimulus money is BS, but the fact remains that when the money was given on behalf of the tax payer as opposed to the banker/wall street boy who got us into this mess, the GDP increased. Creating incentives to purchase big ticket items whether it be cash for clunkers of the homebuyer tax credit is the way to get the economy moving again. The cost of these programs are minimal in comparison and created instant results.

BTW, does the fact that I owned a Carver 406MY for 4 years raise my status now?
 
Guest said:
I agree with you that most of this stimulus money is BS, but the fact remains that when the money was given on behalf of the tax payer as opposed to the banker/wall street boy who got us into this mess, the GDP increased. Creating incentives to purchase big ticket items whether it be cash for clunkers of the homebuyer tax credit is the way to get the economy moving again. The cost of these programs are minimal in comparison and created instant results.
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You're kidding right?
 
Well there went the whole I’m the guest thing…

Guest said:
I agree with you that most of this stimulus money is BS, but the fact remains that when the money was given on behalf of the tax payer as opposed to the banker/wall street boy who got us into this mess, the GDP increased. Creating incentives to purchase big ticket items whether it be cash for clunkers of the homebuyer tax credit is the way to get the economy moving again. The cost of these programs are minimal in comparison and created instant results.

BTW, does the fact that I owned a Carver 406MY for 4 years raise my status now?
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Guest said:
I agree with you that most of this stimulus money is BS, but the fact remains that when the money was given on behalf of the tax payer as opposed to the banker/wall street boy who got us into this mess, the GDP increased. Creating incentives to purchase big ticket items whether it be cash for clunkers of the homebuyer tax credit is the way to get the economy moving again. The cost of these programs are minimal in comparison and created instant results.

BTW, does the fact that I owned a Carver 406MY for 4 years raise my status now?
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Most people know what "CRS" is... a bad disease that starts to hit men after age 40 (Can't Remember Sh1t).

There is a another syndrome that seems to hit certain people. It's called "LSA" (Low Situational Awareness). For example, someone who owns a Four Winns, used to own a Carver, coming into a Sea Ray forum with many people that own expensive boats and stating how great the homebuyers tax credit is, how great cash for clunkers is for the economy and how it's about time "common taxpayers" got some free money.

I'm just guessing that there aren't too many "first time home buyers" that need a tax break to buy a house on this forum... And probably not too many people driving clunkers and need a new car (although I'm sure some people took advantage of some free money). I would bet that most of the people here are in the upper tax brackets or they wouldn't own a boat... So that means the money for these BS programs is coming out of the pockets of most of the people on this board. It's like walking into a Hokie football game on the Hokie side and yelling "UVA is great!"

Obviously there is no talking sense with you but I doubt anyone that needed the $8000 first time home buyer tax credit ever created a single job....

This reminds me of a conversation I had with my mother several years ago. She had been listening to some dumb ass politician and told me she was tired of paying the same taxes that "rich people" did... She pays no taxes... but she was convinced she was getting screwed.
 
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Have you no shame, you’ll throw your poor mother in the mix too. I hope there aren’t any stray kitty cats running loose in your neighborhood…
 
see what they should have done is to take every legal tax payer earning less than 250K and have filed tax returns for 4 years and issued a check to that person equal to the average of those 4 years as claimed on your taxes.......that would have stimulated the main street folk..........would have cost less than 1 billion.......
 
ImpulseIII said:
Why single out people that make more than $250K....? Why should they be treated differently.....????
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Because... If you make more than $250K/year you are an evil person that has been taking advantage of people. People that make more than $250K/year need to be punished!

"You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer" - William John Henry Boetcker (1873-1962)
 
just received my Gadsden car flag. Sad thing is, no one knows what it means here in Liberal City.

"I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shewn and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal:—Conscious of this, she never wounds till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.—Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America?"

Benjamin Franklin
 
Which years? I'm sure there is quite a few here that were making 250K+ that are not anymore. :huh: Heck I would bet there are even more that were making 100K+ that aren't any more.?:smt089


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see what they should have done is to take every legal tax payer earning less than 250K and have filed tax returns for 4 years and issued a check to that person equal to the average of those 4 years as claimed on your taxes.......that would have stimulated the main street folk..........would have cost less than 1 billion.......
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I heard an interesting factoid the other day, the top 1% of wage earners in the US pay 40% of the taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of the taxes in the US.

What I see the left doing is creating class warfare. They're putting up a wall with numbers for these classes. 100k, 250k, or 500k, or ? What's it going to be? They're forcing small businesses out, and pushing folks into the headset of making less than whatever that wall is, so they don't get into the "Bad" group over that wall.

The left is destroying this country's values and the basis on what it was meant to be, as described by our forefathers in the Constitution. They feel those that don't work are entitled to be paid by those bad people, this is just so wrong in so many ways. No one is entitled to anything they don't earn.

(was watching the Patriot last weekend, what a great movie. It hit on some key points that the left needs to better understand.)

I need to start reading some more revolutionary history books. Anyone have any recommendations? I have a few, one I've started, but not finished, is the biography of Ben Franklin. I might get back into it.
 
Arizona240DA said:
I hope there aren’t any stray kitty cats running loose in your neighborhood…
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There were, but he ran them down with his go cart because the doggy tax was unfair. Them damn fleabag cats were getting free money in the form of taxes their owners didn't have to pay. :lol:
 
I still say that this country won't be fixed until the tax code is reduced to a single equation.

federal spending / # of people that work = every working American's tax bill

Everyone pays exactly the same amount, period. If you don't work, you don't pay... BUT... you don't get anything from the gov't, either.
 
VTSeaRay said:
I need to start reading some more revolutionary history books. Anyone have any recommendations?
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Here are few of my favorites:
1776 by David McCullough
His Excellency: George Washington by Joseph J. Ellis
John Adams by David McCullough

These are all pretty easy reads for a busy person that is a fan of history, but not a scholar.
 
From this I'd guess you make less than $250K....though by your boat, maybe not...either way, free money is a BAD idea

wetpaint said:
see what they should have done is to take every legal tax payer earning less than 250K and have filed tax returns for 4 years and issued a check to that person equal to the average of those 4 years as claimed on your taxes.......that would have stimulated the main street folk..........would have cost less than 1 billion.......
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VTSeaRay said:
I heard an interesting factoid the other day, the top 1% of wage earners in the US pay 40% of the taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of the taxes in the US.

What I see the left doing is creating class warfare. They're putting up a wall with numbers for these classes. 100k, 250k, or 500k, or ? What's it going to be? They're forcing small businesses out, and pushing folks into the headset of making less than whatever that wall is, so they don't get into the "Bad" group over that wall.
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That data is from the Tax Foundation. Good people. Get to know their data and analysis. You'll be well prepared to debate any leftist on taxes and win. Don't be fooled that the top 1% are really really rich people. The break point is those with adjusted gross annual incomes of more than $410,096. Yes, a nice income, but not quite Larry Ellison. The top 5%? Tax payers with AGIs of over $160,041 -- probably the majority of everyone here.

The left has been trading in class warfare for the last few decades. Nothing new there. Here's a telling quote, "recent IRS data bolsters the findings of an OECD study released last year showing that the U.S.—not France or Sweden—has the most progressive income tax system among OECD nations. We rely more heavily on the top 10 percent of taxpayers than does any nation and our poor people have the lowest tax burden of those in any nation."


Tax Burden of Top 1% Now Exceeds That of Bottom 95%


and

Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data (July 2009)


Yes, I'm a data geek. We'd be a lot better off if the sheep in this country would put a little less time into world series and superbowls and a little more with Heritage, ACI, TF, et al.

Best regards,
Frank
 
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