Tails on zippers or no?

Discussion in 'Modifications/Customizations' started by Carpediem44DB, Nov 8, 2021.

  1. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2000 Carver 506
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
    Volvo TAMD 74 P
    I am building an enclosure for a YC member for her 40 foot aft cabin Del Ray. The boat has a hard top over the raised after deck so I am only building the side curtains, 7 panel in total with 5 being windows. The panels will all be zipped in on the sides and top and held taught with Stay-put cord fasteners.
    I am debating on how to treat the zipper start ends. Some like them left long with a tail for easy connection and others thinks that is just wonky. Any thoughts one way or the other? The gal that owns the boat is rather new and will like what ever I do. I have done a few projects for people around the marina to help them out as getting into a premier canvas shop takes 3 to 6 month lead time and the shops have seemed to price in a premium for the demand. I take on progressively more complex jobs to hone the craft but not looking to replace my living but man, word gets out and all of a sudden I have my own waiting list!
    Thanks for the input.
    Carpe Diem
     
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  2. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    no tail
     
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  3. Strypes

    Strypes Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2015
    Catawba Island
    Sea Ray 400 Sedan Bridge
    Boston Whaler 235 Conquest
    Twin Caterpillar 3116
    Mercury Verado 225 4-Stroke
    I concur.
     
  4. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
    Isleton, CA
    2002 310DA
    350 MPI w/V-drives
    nope
     
  5. stephens013

    stephens013 Active Member

    756
    Oct 8, 2009
    Ft Walton Beach, Fl
    2001 510 Sundancer
    1997 400DA Sundancer
    1994 Chaparel 310 Signature
    3196 Cat; 660 PHP
    3116 Cat; 340 PHP
    Surely a little tail wouldn't hurt
     
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  6. KevinC

    KevinC Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    No tail - but since it is a hardtop make sure you have easy access to the zipper start. If there is some sort of obstruction you may need to reconsider having a tail and putting a pull cord on the zipper.

    -Kevin
     
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  7. techmitch

    techmitch Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    May 1, 2008
    Chesapeake Bay, Middle River/Frog Mortar Creek MD.
    1999 270 DA
    Twin 4.3s W/Alpa I Gen II's
    That's pretty good.
     
  8. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2000 Carver 506
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
    Volvo TAMD 74 P
    I installed awning rail and fabricated a 2 inch margin to be transition from Kedder welt to the top zipper so starting the vertical zippers will be no issue so no tails it is. I appreciate the confirmation. And, who doesn't enjoy a little tail on the boat:cool:
    Back to sewing
    Carpe Diem
     
  9. Mark.60

    Mark.60 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    473
    Sep 6, 2020
    Westbrook Connecticut
    2007 44 sedan bridge
    Cummins qsc 500
    Hi Rusty,
    When will you be on the east coast with your sewing machine?
     
  10. sbw1

    sbw1 Well-Known Member

    Oct 10, 2006
    West Michigan
    This is listed in my signature
    This is listed in my signature
    Leave the tails off. You can always add pulls to the zippers if you need them.
     
  11. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2000 Carver 506
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
    Volvo TAMD 74 P
    I’ll be staying on the left coast @Kevin c
    has the right coast covered:)
    CD
     
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  12. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Tails where it is difficult to get the start box put together. There are several zippers on my enclosure that I put tails on where the zipper put the canvas/vinyl in tension that would have been near impossible to get started without.
     
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  13. HawkX66

    HawkX66 Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2020
    SE Virginia and NH
    "Tread Knot"
    1997 Sea Ray Sundancer 290DA

    2020 F350 6.7L
    454 L29 Carb w/ Bravo III
    I'll be following threads like this for sure. You guys all have a lot of great tips and tricks for sewing. I just started. First project was to fix one of my old visors. I just bought a full enclosure from KevinC, but my old stuff was functional still. I just needed to repair a couple zipper seams. I'll use those in place of my new ones for storing etc.
     
  14. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2000 Carver 506
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
    Volvo TAMD 74 P
    Between tips offered here and sailrite videos, with a little ambition you will do just fine:)
     
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  15. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    Just curious, when you say tails do we mean a section of zipper just loose from the canvas or an actual extension?

    our guy left about 1/2” “loose” on the really difficult rear enclosure zippers and I appreciate it everytime I zip the canvas, especially in the cold
     
  16. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    I prefer the appearance of no tail. However if this is a piece that comes on and off frequently, the tail is appreciated.
     
  17. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2000 Carver 506
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge
    Volvo TAMD 74 P
    Some canvas installers leave up to 2 inches of the zipper at the start box end extended beyond the panel for the reason you stated, easy zipper engagement on tight enclosure joints. They can look a bit wonky just hanging over. I have seen enclosures where a spot of velcro was used to secure the tail to the canvas which helps keep things looking tidy.
    CD
     
  18. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    I have them, They are indispensable for starting my long, heavy zippers. I don't even notice them...
     

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