starter or solenoid?

Blueone said:
I’m telling you it sounds like the solenoid….. put more effort in next time….. you can do it

When you touch the two posts you will know it….. I have to lay on the port engine to reach it
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Thanks. Going to give it another shot. I had knee pads on and another rubber pad. But I could not get my arm right. Will have more light tomorrow and will report back. Is there a better tool to use to try and touch both. I was trying to lay it across the top of the 2 posts
 
Try the round end of a wrench
 
Stpetelsu64 said:
Thanks. Going to give it another shot. I had knee pads on and another rubber pad. But I could not get my arm right. Will have more light tomorrow and will report back. Is there a better tool to use to try and touch both. I was trying to lay it across the top of the 2 posts
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Don't know if there is a "better tool", but I do know what is the right tool.
Here is just one example.


From the sound's of thing's it doesn't seem like you will be able to get close enough to connect it though.
 
Blueone said:
Don’t hold onto the bare metal doing it…… yikes you guys this isn’t hard shit….. don’t electrocute the guy
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Lol if I don’t report back I didn’t make it ! I will have more time tomorrow and try to maneuver around to get the right angle. The rubber caps get in the way but I can see the tops of the bolts and nut with the long mirror. I was rushing some because of daylight. Thanks for the tips
 
Blueone said:
Don’t hold onto the bare metal doing it…… yikes you guys this isn’t hard shit….. don’t electrocute the guy
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Well it seems I can hear the bendix but the starter is not turning. But can’t jump it with the screwdriver. So guess it is going to be a nightmare. Rust is all down and around there also no matter how much of my CRC product I spray regularly. I live on the salt water with boat behind my home
 
If the starter is locked up, you should see a considerable voltage drop on the batteries when trying to start. If it’s a solenoid or open circuit in the starter, there won’t be much of a drop. It’s a simple test to get you a little closer to pinpointing the problem.
 
Richard Carlisle said:
If the starter is locked up, you should see a considerable voltage drop on the batteries when trying to start. If it’s a solenoid or open circuit in the starter, there won’t be much of a drop. It’s a simple test to get you a little closer to pinpointing the problem.
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What is the best way to get a read ? Let wife try to hit the start while I use the multi meter on the battery’?
And when testing do I need to turn the battery charger off ? Thanks in advance
 
I would turn off the battery charger. Have wife try to start while watching a volt meter. It could be a bad spot in the starter armature. That’s when tapping the starter cam sometimes get it past the bad spot.
 
Richard Carlisle said:
I would turn off the battery charger. Have wife try to start while watching a volt meter. It could be a bad spot in the starter armature. That’s when tapping the starter cam sometimes get it past the bad spot.
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Well just tried it. Wife hit start button and I had the multimeter on the posts with the battery charger turned off. When turned off my battery showed 12.5 volts. When she hit start it was steady or down to 12.4. I hope that means it isn’t the starter. Please advise or if you know any more tricks. I will work on tapping the starter tomorrow in the daylight. Thanks for the tips from all on here
 
Are there any more ways to determine whether it is the solenoid or starter ? Battery dropped hardly at all while attempting to start the engine. Went from 12.5 to 12.4. The starboard battery drop was zero just from comparison
Richard Carlisle said:
I would turn off the battery charger. Have wife try to start while watching a volt meter. It could be a bad spot in the starter armature. That’s when tapping the starter cam sometimes get it past the bad spot.
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Njlarry said:
Trying to follow this. Where is the stater jumper switch connected?
A pic would be great.
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Will take pic today. I can barely reach the solenoid with zero to spare. So far I have used a screwdriver on the solenoid whole trying to start. It still had one loud click. Then with the battery charger still off I held a multi meter on the battery to see the movement when trying to start. It moved from 12.5 v to 12.4. A neighbor said he heard the bendix kicking out but starter not Turning so thinks it is the starter
When you say starter jumper switch are you talking about the solenoid that is located away from the starter ? I am getting a little confused.I ordered the starter button but don’t think I will be able to get close enough to connect. Should have it tomorrow. Going to take pics
 
The starter has to spin to push the bendix in to the flywheel. Something else is amiss if the bendix has been pushed out.

I agree that the solenoid is the most likely candidate but a loud clunking usually means I would check to see if the engine is locked up :eek:.......just to assure myself I am chasing the right problem.

If the engine turns....then it is just a matter of dealing with the starter and the solenoid. In regards to a dead spot on the starter armature......tapping it will sometimes get it to spin but the problem is still there waiting for the most inconvenient time to hit that spot again.
 
scoflaw said:
Is the starter solonoid or starter clicking or is it the slave solonoid?

Bypass the slave.
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I believe the slave solenoid but when my wife gets home I will get back under there while she tries to start to see exactly where it is coming from. But it isn’t multiple clicks like it is trying to start but just one click and nothing. The slave solenoid is what I used the screwdriver on to try to Jump. I can’t get to the solenoid that is connected to the starter. About to give up and spend a grand to the local Cummins people. My knowledge level is pretty low regarding this. Plus I can’t fit down there to do much. Not a big guy but need a jockey to get down there
 
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