Stains on Boats at Portage Marina

firecadet613

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Has anyone seen these articles yet? My wife forwarded these to me today...

http://www.post-trib.com/news/2789840,new-orangeboat1010.article

PORTAGE -- State, local and industry officials are investigating millions of tiny orange-brown stains that have damaged 200 boats, dock boxes and the Portage Public Marina building.
Boaters at Portage Marina and the Marquette Yacht Club first noticed the stains when they cleaned their white boats. The stains resemble rust with a particle etched in the middle.
Brian Gurgon checks the exterior of his boat last week at the Portage Marina. Gurgon believes the spots on his boat are iron oxide released from nearby US Steel.
(Andy LaValley/Post-Tribune)



"Late May, I started noticing yellow spots on my boat that could not be removed through buffing nor power washing, and lately they have gotten worse," said Brian Gurgon, a boat owner from Valparaiso who keeps his boat at Portage Marina. "On the flat surfaces is where you see it. It's on the boats. It's on the dock boxes. These little burned orange stains are everywhere, some as big of a quarter inch. Some, there's a pit in the middle of it."
Hobart boater Raymond Pacheco also noticed the stains.
"It's all over. It looks like droplets of red sludge," he said. "It impregnated the fire glass. You can take your nail and scratch on it."
Boaters reported the problem to Portage Police.
Harbor master for the marina, Allen Ekdahl, said he has received between 35 and 50 complaints about the issue since Sept. 20.
"Everything that's here has been covered with it. It went from north to south in a very narrow line," Ekdahl said. "We seem to have gotten the brunt of it -- 200 boats, so that's about 100-some dock boxes. The light tower, same thing. Everything's got it on it. You can't see it on the buildings because the buildings are yellow stone. On the downspouts, you can see it there."
Ekdahl and a boat owner tried various boat cleaners. None worked, except for a buffer, which also removes the finish on the boat, Ekdahl said. He called the Indiana Department of Environmental Management.
"They've been here. They were here again Friday," Ekdahl said. "They've been here a total of six times. We pretty much got the area that's been impacted identified. They've collected some samples for testing."
IDEM spokesman Rob Elstro confirmed that IDEM is investigating.
"IDEM was notified about a substance on boats at the Portage Marina. We visited the marina several times and collected samples," Elstro said in an e-mail. "IDEM is still investigating the complaint."
Gurgon sleeps on his boat and said he's concerned about possible health effects from breathing the particles.
"I sleep with my hatch open. Every night, I sleep here to conserve energy because of the economy," Gurgon said. "Once you look close, it's there, it's everywhere. If my lungs look like that, that's a problem."
Gurgon suspects the particles came from nearby industry Amrox, which "refreshens" and recycles pickle liquor, which is used to cleanse steel.
On Aug. 23, Amrox had a mishap when a concentrated iron liquor feed line to Amrox developed a pinhole.
Wind carrying hydrochloric acid and iron oxide from the spill landed on 13 cars parked adjacent to Amrox and 100 cars parked outside the plant gate. Employees whose cars were damaged received vouchers for a car wash in Valparaiso.
Malvin Sander, vice president of Amrox, said company officials were informed about the stains on boats on Sept. 20, and the stains don't have anything to do with the Aug. 23 incident.
Sander said he doesn't believe the stains on the boats stem from his company or that there's any reason to have health concerns.
"The characteristics of the stain do not appear similar to the products of our operation. Our operation experienced no iron oxide emissions on or before Sept. 20 that could have produced the waxy brown stain. Notwithstanding, we have responded to several inquiries by several boat owners by examining the affected boats," he said. "I can assure you there's nothing in what we do that would adversely affect the health of people. That's a given."
Representatives from U.S. Steel Midwest also inspected the vehicles. The plant is located less than a quarter of a mile from the marina. A U.S. Steel spokesman did not return a call for comment.
For boaters and investigators, the focus now is on solving the mystery of what caused the stains.
"My big concern is to figure out what it is so we can figure out how to treat it," Ekdahl of the marina said.

http://www.wthr.com/story/13301306/indiana-agency-investigates-stains-at-portage-marina

Portage - Tiny orange-brown stains dotting more than 200 boats, dock boxes and a building at the Portage Public Marina have attracted the attention of Indiana environmental officials.
Spokesman Rob Elstro of the Indiana Department of Environmental Management says the agency has sent staff to the marina several times and has collected samples. The source of the stain remains under investigation.
Marina harbor master Allen Ekdahl tells the Post-Tribune of Merrillville that he has received between 35 and 50 complaints about the stains since Sept. 20. The stains resemble rust with a particle etched in the middle.
 
I noticed it on our boat when I cleaned it up to put away for the year--looks like tiny rust spots. Luckily it's not on my isenglass. I'd like to know how to remove them from fiberglass though.
 
Being in upstate NY I am sure this is not related but after winterizing this year I noticed on the swim platform yellow stains that would not come off..used magic eraser and then acid wash to no avail and have no idea what it could be. Used pink rv antifreeze to winterize but know other spots that came in contact and have ruled that out. Dont know of other substance that came in contact but had to leave it till spring and REALLY hoping I can get it out then. They are yellow with darker outside ring, looked like something spilled.
 
South of detroit we had it on automobiles ,called it rail dust from train brakes which use metallic brake shoes .The wind blows the dust onto damp vehicles and rusts.Rust is a chemical reaction between metal and water or a part of water and it somehow causes a reaction with other chemicals ie;paint ,fiberglass etc. causing the pitted surfaces.We rubbed out a lot of white cars .And i do belive there is a certain amount of diminished value from the removeal of surface coatings useing this method be it paint fiberglass or any surface that is ment to be maintained to beautify and maintain the value of any object.
 
I used to work at an iron foundry while going to college. The iron oxide from the furnances woull land on cars in the parking lot. Since I worked the night shift the dew would cause the iron to rust and pit the paint on cars. People pretty much knew to drive a beater to work because there was no way to avoid the problem. I would hate to have a boat in a place were this happened.
 
It's the first year I've seen it in three seasons here, others who've been here longer have never seen it.

I would be very hesitant to keep a newer or nicer boat here though. One guy keeps his 30+ footer under a full mooring cover. It's probably a good idea.
 
Being in upstate NY I am sure this is not related but after winterizing this year I noticed on the swim platform yellow stains that would not come off..used magic eraser and then acid wash to no avail and have no idea what it could be. Used pink rv antifreeze to winterize but know other spots that came in contact and have ruled that out. Dont know of other substance that came in contact but had to leave it till spring and REALLY hoping I can get it out then. They are yellow with darker outside ring, looked like something spilled.

Try a small cloth or paper towel soaked with bleach. Let it sit for 15 mins... You may have leaf stains and either sunshine or bleach will remove the stains.
 
Hello - I'm experiencing something similar in Marina Del Ray. In my case it's odd since some boats are getting these stains and others are completely free of those yellow -orange stains. My first thought was the stains must be from a bird. We feel that it's ruled out with the location of the stains and how many boats were getting stained. I just got back from vacation and have hundreds of stains. The stains are on the canvas and fiberglass and very tough to get it clean. Any updates on your experience would be appreciated. We're thinking it must be a tree. My boat is located in a marina and only 2 rows of slips have the stains. We're surrounded by apartments and palm trees as well as other trees. The cars under trees have the same stains. The marina has slips on both sides of the apartments. The marina has 2 basins. Only my row and another row have the stains. The other basin has no stains. Our marina is testing the stains. Hopefully we get answers soon.

DBAY
 
Maybe look into a product called Clay Magic. I used to use this on Corvettes and SS Camaros (usually the black ones) that were shipped in with rail dust on them. It's just like a bar of soap and you just keep the surface moist and apply like your washing it with the bar. Then a light buff with swirl remover or whatnot.As far as any other rust stains from exhaust or whatever I have had a lot of good luck with Iron out.
 
good info. I'll look into the product. It's always nice to have the right products when these projects come about.
I'm worried about the canvas as it appears to be damaged. till the marina results of what caused the spots we will be in limbo. They coming daily but not enough to see them or feel them while outside. There is construction several blocks away but again the small number of boats affected in a small area mean this is something less airborn then one would think. I'll try and post a pic.

DBAY
 
I wouldn't have a clue what to do about the canvas. There has to be something out there for it.
 
firecadet13, if it is rail dust the automotive industry uses a acid or akali based decontamination system to chemically remove it. I don't know how the gelcoat would tolerate that. You may want to try some hull acid or there is some creme type stain removers out there for marine.
 
Thanks for the input. I appricate the time to reply. I was really looking for any input as to what could be the cause of the yellow stains (birds , trees ect) Since this is only hitting some boats and not the entire marina. The cause is baffled me and those around me. This tread seemed to be similar in nature. I was hoping to hear back on the results from the state test listed in the thread. If they analyzed the stains and the results are back. I'd love to know what caused it. To clean it. I'm going to try a product called Mo's Gold used by car racing. Its a carbnauba cleaner and wax. Mo the owner passed away and long story sort he lived near my house in N Ca. My wife was involved in the real estate transaction and we got a couple cases of the wax and cleaner that was left. His wife is no longer going to keep the business open. But it had a great following (google Mo's Gold) and i ended up buying everything she had left. If either of you as a way to thank you want some of the wax and cleaner (free) I'm not selling it. PM me your address or a place to mail some. I will give you a few bottles of each. I ended up buying 20 cases (buying sounds like i plan on selling and thats not the case,. I plan of giving it out for gifts. I appriciate the time you took and if you would take a few bottles just send me where to mail them. _Robert
 
I don't have this issue with my boat, only posted up the article that the Admiral found for our discussion.
 

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