Should you buy a gun or not?

I only saw 2 that failed and the course could not be completed. One was a Kimber and the other was a cheapo that I had never heard of and can't even remember what it was now. And my very first one was a Jennings Bryco 59. Me and a buddy both bought one. After our first range trip we both had to send them back to have them fixed and neither was very good even after that...lol
 
I did have 1 issue with my Glock 27. In our course we were required to fire I believe 25 rounds and with the model 27 this would require 2 reloads and these are timed. Instead I used my model 22 mag in the model 27 so I would only need to reload once (this was permitted by the course instructors). Did it one year with no issues but the next year I had a type 2 malfunction (stovepipe). Only guessing but maybe because the mag spring was too stiff? Other than that after about 4000 rounds fired between both of my Glocks never any other issues. My M&P Shield 2.0 failed once. No idea if it was a bad round or what but there was a dent in the firing pin but it didn't not fire so don't think it was an issue with the weapon.
 
Woody said:
What breaks?
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I've seen a locking block and a striker. Can't recall them all.

But I give mine a good field strip after every range trip and bring a spare with me to classes. Not worth ending the class if one goes down.

Someone on another forum recently had his Hellcat striker break... but turns out he did a LOT of dry fire practice...
 
firecadet613 said:
But I give mine a good field strip after every range trip and bring a spare with me to classes. Not worth ending the class if one goes down.
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I tear mine down and clean even if only 1 round is fired.

But in our LEO certification courses we had to qualify with the exact firearm we would carry, down to serial #. Doesn't mean we couldn't carry something different but if we were ever in a firefight with one we technically weren't certified with it. that's why I had to qualify with my model 27 as mentioned above and use my model 22 mag
 
Nater Potater said:
Interesting point. In fact, the missus and I were looking into Australia's gun laws to see if we could defend ourselves while over there (looking for gold). I find this in Wikipedia addressing Australia's gun laws: "Suicide deaths using firearms more than halved in ten years, from 389 deaths in 1995, to 147 deaths in 2005. This is equal to 7% of all suicides in 2005. Over the same period, suicides by hanging increased by over 52% from 699 in 1995 to 1068 in 2005." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia)
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In the US suicide deaths by firearm are something like three times the number of firearm deaths by all other causes. But, suicides by firearm, while the single largest suicide method, are 45% of all suicides. More people who succeed at suicide do so without using a firearm, giving rise to the notion that even the outright prohibition of firearms both new and existing, would have limited impact on the overall number of suicides.
 
firecadet613 said:
Ah, you're one of those guys. I often get guys snickering at my pistol in different training classes, but none of my Croatian ladies has failed me.

I've seen Glock, S&W, Sig and Rugers all break and not be able to finish the class...
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Yes. I'm one of "those" guys that supports American made anytime I can. Especially when those companies are the ones fighting hard for our 2A rights. It disgusts me that Springfield Armory, which was named for the Springfield Armory in Springfield, Massachusetts, builds their weapons offshore. I'd carry a Glock long before them because of that.
If they built shite weapons I'd move one, but they don't. There is no reason to buy offshore IMO when when companies like Sig, S&W, Colt etc build outstanding firearms.
 
HawkX66 said:
Yes. I'm one of "those" guys that supports American made anytime I can. Especially when those companies are the ones fighting hard for our 2A rights. It disgusts me that Springfield Armory, which was named for the Springfield Armory in Springfield, Massachusetts, builds their weapons offshore. I'd carry a Glock long before them because of that.
If they built shite weapons I'd move one, but they don't. There is no reason to buy offshore IMO when when companies like Sig, S&W, Colt etc build outstanding firearms.
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I buy American made as much as I can. There is plenty of reason to buy offshore when there is nothing comparable made in America. I got into firearms when the XDS came out and just stuck with Springfield. The XDS was first of its kind. And since then, no one else makes compacts that are also full size when used with a full size magazine with a grip extension.

Hellcat to P365 - no comparison. P365 has striker safety issues so I'll stick with the Hellcat. I do own some S&W long guns though...
 
HawkX66 said:
Yes. I'm one of "those" guys that supports American made anytime I can. Especially when those companies are the ones fighting hard for our 2A rights. It disgusts me that Springfield Armory, which was named for the Springfield Armory in Springfield, Massachusetts, builds their weapons offshore. I'd carry a Glock long before them because of that.
If they built shite weapons I'd move one, but they don't. There is no reason to buy offshore IMO when when companies like Sig, S&W, Colt etc build outstanding firearms.
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Yet you carry an Austrian made glock and recommended Sig, which is not only technically an American company.
 
Henry Boyd said:
In the US suicide deaths by firearm are something like three times the number of firearm deaths by all other causes. But, suicides by firearm, while the single largest suicide method, are 45% of all suicides. More people who succeed at suicide do so without using a firearm, giving rise to the notion that even the outright prohibition of firearms both new and existing, would have limited impact on the overall number of suicides.
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I agree. Suicides rates have nothing to do with gun laws. People in that horrible state of despair will find a way. If its a call for help, they won't use a gun or anything "real". Murder rates is a different story.
 
TimW said:
Yet you carry an Austrian made glock and recommended Sig, which is not only technically an American company.
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Who said I carry a Glock? Not sure how to decipher your other sentence.
 
I took a tactical class yesterday and the instructor is a competitor uses Glocks.

HK, Sig, Glock, can’t go wrong. I’m sure all the others mentioned are fine guns. There’s a wide range of preferences I noticed from listening to the pre-class bragging.

Once the instructor demoed his skill set everyone went quiet.

I was accurate w the Glock but one guy had a couple fail to eject because he was limp wristing

It took one adjustment to my grip to get me out of low and left. Amazing instructions.

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This little .380 is a nice front pocket C&C gun. I have this sleeve that stays in your pocket and makes the LCP feel like a wallet.

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firecadet613 said:
I buy American made as much as I can. There is plenty of reason to buy offshore when there is nothing comparable made in America. I got into firearms when the XDS came out and just stuck with Springfield. The XDS was first of its kind. And since then, no one else makes compacts that are also full size when used with a full size magazine with a grip extension.

Hellcat to P365 - no comparison. P365 has striker safety issues so I'll stick with the Hellcat. I do own some S&W long guns though...
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FWIW, I'm not knocking some of the offshore weapons functionality. HK is one of my favorites. I've shot more than most guys so I'm aware of the plusses and minuses of alot of the EDC weapons available.
 
El Capitan said:
Is there a safety lock on that holster? I want to make sure no one can grab and pull out of the holster. I’ve seen it happen in demos.
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It fits inside your front pocket and is not an external holster. The tongue on the holster, below the pistol grip, prevents it from sliding out of the pocket when drawing. When new, wear it with the pocket holster for a couple of days and it forms around your thigh. You'll hardly know it's there.
 
HawkX66 said:
Who said I carry a Glock? Not sure how to decipher your other sentence.
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Sig Sauer Inc. while an American company, is a subsidiary of L&O Holding, a German company that also owns Sig Sauer GMBH KG (German) and Sig Sauer AG (Swiss) along with a number of other European businesses. Like it or not, Sig Sauer guns while made in the US, are the products of a German company. That said my impression from shooting friends who work at Sig is that the German parent lets the US company pretty much do as it wants now that the DOD is the company’s single largest customer.
 
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