Ramp Etiquette - I guess he wanted to show me!

Wired2Cruze

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Jun 11, 2010
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Central OH
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1996 Sundancer 250, Garmin 431S GPS, towed by 2006 Dodge durango
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5.7L Merc w/BravoIII
I've been a "Trailer Sailor" for my entire boating experience; it's what you do when you boat on an inland lake with not a lot of available dockage. I pride myself on always extending courtesy to my fellow boaters, and minimizing the amount of time I actually spend on the boat ramp or ramp dock.
My wife is not skilled at docking or backing, so I'm pretty much handling both of those tasks, while she usually tends the lines & keeps our dogs under control, if we take them with us.

The other weekend we're out at our local lake with another couple on a Sunday afternoon/evening, enjoying some food & beverages.
The conversation was fun, so we got back to the ramp a little late, it was basically dark when we got back to the ramp.
Now this time of the evening 98% of the boats are either off the lake, or docked /anchored for the night.
So the ramp was basically deserted, except for one guy tied up at the courtesy dock next to the ramp.
Now the ramp has 4 lanes; the 2 inner are the better lanes, with docks extending easily 65ft out, plenty of room. We tied up at the very end of one side of the dock, which is our habit if the courtesy dock is full, or it's late at night, and I'm not worried about blocking a lane.

Between the time it took for me to walk up to get my truck and come around, the guy who owns the other boat had backed down in my lane to load his boat in front of mine.
This is with my wife & the other couple on the end of the dock, clearly visible tending lines & dogs, etc.
His lights are dimmed to parking lights, but as I came across the top, he turned his headlights back on, and his friend drove his boat around ours to get it to the trailer.
He kept his lights on, so I couldn't back down the other side of the dock, so I just had to wait 10 minutes while he got loaded.

Now I understand ramp etiquette- the next guy in line gets his pick of the available ramps.
I'm normally good with that, but that guy had another empty ramp to use (just on the other side of the dock!), and he had initially dimmed to his parking lights, until he saw me coming. I think he just wanted to "show" me that I was inconsiderate by not using the courtesy dock, and he was going to use the ramp where I had tied up!

I waited until he came up, and he pulled over nearby to tie down, etc.
I mentioned to him & his buddy that it seemed kind of small to pull the stunt he just did, and I may have compared his behaviour to that of the wrong end of a horse.
They pulled way to the other end of the lot to finish their tie down, while we loaded my boat.

By the time we were up & out (7 min), they were gone, which is probably a good thing, as I felt I had made my point, and he basically had no response, other than the friend asking "Are you talking to me?", and I responded:"I'm talking to the guy with the truck".

I guess I could have used the other side of the courtesy dock (as he did), but that time of night there is not a lot going on. If he had tied up to the ramp dock, I would have tied up to the other side, and we both would have gone our merry ways. If both docks were taken, I would have used the courtesy dock.

Anyway, I thought I'd vent a little bit, but also ask the question: Does anyone think it is a breach of etiquette to utilize the dock in the manner I did, considering the hour & circumstances?
I like to think I can always learn, so I'd be interested in anyone's opinion, even if it means I owe this guy a beer or something ;>)
 
That is the best thing about using the dry stack not dealing with Jerks at the ramp.. Our condo has a private ramp and it is for sale and we are going to buy a lot in a community with a private ramp for the owners. Public ramps are not fun.
 
This isn't ramp etiquette.....but it is an in your face thing. We stopped a jetski last night in the marina, the middle aged lady was gunning the throttles and doing tricks in a no wake area, after stopping her the dock master turned to walk away....the lady decided to do donuts around the no wake buoy.....than hauled ass!
 
although i don't think he was wrong, it was a dick move. especially the headlights. blasting your night vision just to be a dick. I have seen some bad at public ramps but i have seem TONS of good and people helping out too. this was just one of those bads
 
I don't usually take this road but.............I think the guy was just not thinking, and now that I realize people these days have no sense of common courtesy. I bet he was just oblivious.

It flies in the face of people that go out of their way to be courteous (like yourself). I know, I tend to be one of those people that gets stepped on. My first reaction is wonder, but then anger kicks in, and like you I feel compelled to educate that person in the ways of decency. It never helps though, but it makes me feel better.

Don't worry about this jerk wad. Just remember his truck and when you can return the favor do!! Pay back's a *****. hahahaha


Another thought, I might have blocked his truck with my trailer, and walked to the port o potty for awhile to let him think of what to do. But that is the wild side of me. *** for tat, your move man.
I'm single and wouldn't have to worry about my family, and at 6'2" 300+lbs, most folks while not scared of me, usually don't jump in my face either.

*****=female dog
***=female breast
hahahaha
 
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Huh.......must be some new bad word censor happening. haha

crap=****
butt=ass
I wrote the words but the censor added stars. Neat! haha


Hmmmm, ass must be ok! hAHA
 
@Islandhopper: I like the way you think! If it'd been just me, I might have done such a thing, since I was 98% sure he was being a d1ck! Still, there's this part of me that says: "You've had a few beverages, your judgment is clouded, don't get too radical.."
He did choose to walk away after I had words with him, which may indicate he realized what an a$$hat move he made- and is a point in his favor, IMHO. Hell, take this stupid incident away, maybe we coulda shared a few beers on the hook. The whole thing was unnecessary, but that's the way it is sometimes...
 
You probably didn’t do anything too bad until you started complaining, confronted, and insulted the other fellow. He was there first, you in essence cut in front of him. He wasn’t complaining to you, he had room to manage and did so. You want etiquette…then you have to follow it too. I think you owe him a beer.

Playing the devils advocate here, this is his version….
The other weekend we're out at our local lake on a Sunday afternoon/evening. The day went great, the conversation was fun, and we got back to the ramp a little late, it was basically dark when we got back to the ramp. Now this time of the evening 98% of the boats are either off the lake, or docked /anchored for the night but I still tied up at the courtesy dock next to the ramp like your supposed to. I try to practice proper ramp etiquette even though some times it seems it might not be needed.

So the ramp was basically deserted, except for one guy that pulled in after me and tied up at the dock. Now the ramp has 4 lanes; the 2 inner are the better lanes, with docks extending easily 65ft out, plenty of room for me to get around this guy. It was our turn and I like to back along that side when it gets dark. I don’t know why he tied up at the dock, the courtesy dock wasn’t full.

As I backed down the ramp to load the guy who owns the other boat had walked up to get his vehicle. As he came across the top I turned on my headlights to make sure he knew I was there. I didn’t want him accidentally backing into me. My friend drove the boat on to the trailer. He had to go around that other guys boat but it wasn‘t any trouble, there was plenty of room in my lane to load my boat in front of his. I don’t know what was up with the other guy, he could have backed down the other side but instead he sat up there for 10 min.

I came up, and pulled over nearby to tie down, etc. Guess what? The other boater comes over and starts complaining. Then the guy finished up by saying I acted like a horses a$$. The guy had been drinking, we weren’t looking for any trouble so we ignored him, said as little as possible and then pulled way to the other end of the lot to finish our tie down. I wasn’t interested in any more lip from him, so thought it best to get out of there. We finished up and were gone before the other guy came up the ramp.
 
I don't know if there are any set rules at the ramp. It sounds as though using the courtesy dock is the customary way to do things. My thinking is just because there is light traffic does not give the right to vary from the norm. Like going the wrong way down a one-way street I the middle of the night when no one is around. I know that is an extreme example. Courtesy is a two way street.
 
I've been a "Trailer Sailor" for my entire boating experience; it's what you do when you boat on an inland lake with not a lot of available dockage. I pride myself on always extending courtesy to my fellow boaters, and minimizing the amount of time I actually spend on the boat ramp or ramp dock.
My wife is not skilled at docking or backing, so I'm pretty much handling both of those tasks, while she usually tends the lines & keeps our dogs under control, if we take them with us.

The other weekend we're out at our local lake with another couple on a Sunday afternoon/evening, enjoying some food & beverages.
The conversation was fun, so we got back to the ramp a little late, it was basically dark when we got back to the ramp.
Now this time of the evening 98% of the boats are either off the lake, or docked /anchored for the night.
So the ramp was basically deserted, except for one guy tied up at the courtesy dock next to the ramp.
Now the ramp has 4 lanes; the 2 inner are the better lanes, with docks extending easily 65ft out, plenty of room. We tied up at the very end of one side of the dock, which is our habit if the courtesy dock is full, or it's late at night, and I'm not worried about blocking a lane.

Between the time it took for me to walk up to get my truck and come around, the guy who owns the other boat had backed down in my lane to load his boat in front of mine.
This is with my wife & the other couple on the end of the dock, clearly visible tending lines & dogs, etc.
His lights are dimmed to parking lights, but as I came across the top, he turned his headlights back on, and his friend drove his boat around ours to get it to the trailer.
He kept his lights on, so I couldn't back down the other side of the dock, so I just had to wait 10 minutes while he got loaded.

Now I understand ramp etiquette- the next guy in line gets his pick of the available ramps.
I'm normally good with that, but that guy had another empty ramp to use (just on the other side of the dock!), and he had initially dimmed to his parking lights, until he saw me coming. I think he just wanted to "show" me that I was inconsiderate by not using the courtesy dock, and he was going to use the ramp where I had tied up!

I waited until he came up, and he pulled over nearby to tie down, etc.
I mentioned to him & his buddy that it seemed kind of small to pull the stunt he just did, and I may have compared his behaviour to that of the wrong end of a horse.
They pulled way to the other end of the lot to finish their tie down, while we loaded my boat.

By the time we were up & out (7 min), they were gone, which is probably a good thing, as I felt I had made my point, and he basically had no response, other than the friend asking "Are you talking to me?", and I responded:"I'm talking to the guy with the truck".

I guess I could have used the other side of the courtesy dock (as he did), but that time of night there is not a lot going on. If he had tied up to the ramp dock, I would have tied up to the other side, and we both would have gone our merry ways. If both docks were taken, I would have used the courtesy dock.

Anyway, I thought I'd vent a little bit, but also ask the question: Does anyone think it is a breach of etiquette to utilize the dock in the manner I did, considering the hour & circumstances?
I like to think I can always learn, so I'd be interested in anyone's opinion, even if it means I owe this guy a beer or something ;>)

I'm going to assume this all took place at the Alum Creek Marina ramp. THat being said I can understand why he wouldn't want to use the outside lane with those concrete blocks underwater. What I don't understand is why he just didn't go to the other side of the dock and use the same width lane. Hell he could have used both lanes on the other side. I'm going to side with you on this for the fact that he had the exact same option 10ft away. He just wanted to be a jerk, and turning the headlights on proved it.

We left Alum 7 years ago, and while I miss the group of folks we boated with, I will never boat there again. The ramps and the idiots that use them being the number one reason.
 
At this landing is proper etiquette to tie up at the courtesy dock? If yes I would say you were wrong. Also, you said it was late and you were at the end of the dock is it possible the other guy did not see the boat there.

If I had been involved in the situation and it cost me 10 minutes I don't think I would have called the other guy a horses ass.
 
I've learned over the years that you can not teach others ramp etiquette. I've seen it all in my 40 years of boating. I just keep quiet and bide my time until it's my turn. Now that I have a slip. I rarely have to deal with it.
 
This is the actual location (Chesire ramp), but Zorba's coords at the marina show the old version of that ramp which was very similar to this one.
https://www.google.com/maps?t=h&ll=...32067594,0.0030216879291554326&output=classic

I was tied up in the exact spot where you see the white boat at the end of the dock.
The dock & ramp on the other side of the center dock were wide open.

You can see the submerged concrete pier on the outside lanes. If it were me at night, I would not want to get too close to that pier going from the Courtesy dock and going around a 25-footer to get on my trailer.
It is actually easier to use the other side of the center dock, coming from where he was.
 
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As I backed down the ramp to load the guy who owns the other boat had walked up to get his vehicle. As he came across the top I turned on my headlights to make sure he knew I was there. I didn’t want him accidentally backing into me. My friend drove the boat on to the trailer. He had to go around that other guys boat but it wasn‘t any trouble, there was plenty of room in my lane to load my boat in front of his. I don’t know what was up with the other guy, he could have backed down the other side but instead he sat up there for 10 min.

I appreciate seeing the other side of the story. The only problem with this part is that leaving your lights ON prevents the other guy from backing down when you're that close- it blinds the other driver... he started out with his parking lights on, which would have made him visible. If he was concerned about me seeing him, then he could have flashed his lights several times, instead of turning them on & leaving them on.

The guy had been drinking, we weren’t looking for any trouble so we ignored him, said as little as possible and then pulled way to the other end of the lot to finish our tie down.

I agree he showed discretion here....after both of us had made our points. I'm also glad it didn't turn into a heated shouting match, or worse!
 
At this landing is proper etiquette to tie up at the courtesy dock? If yes I would say you were wrong. Also, you said it was late and you were at the end of the dock is it possible the other guy did not see the boat there.

If I had been involved in the situation and it cost me 10 minutes I don't think I would have called the other guy a horses ass.

If he had not turned his lights on & kept them on, I probably would have said nothing. I interpreted that action in conjunction with his other action as an "In your face" gesture.

During the day, it is proper etiquette to drop a driver at the courtesy dock, then sit back out in the no-wake awaiting your turn. With the large number of boats using these ramps on the weekend, there is always a long wait, and a lot of "weekend warriors" hog the courtesy dock and the ramp docks. I always make a point of coming in later, since I'm basically the guy doing the backing & trailering the boat.
I can understand a high level of frustration with docking here, as the days are crazy with over the top behaviour. :smt021
 
In situations such as this one I always try to take the high road. I think Woody nailed it when he described this from the other person's point of view. I don't see that the guy really did anything wrong. He was there first with his boat, there first with his truck/trailer, and at most ramps that gives him the right to pick his lane. I don't know why he turned his lights on, but somehow I doubt he did it to pi$$ you off. Just my opinion.

I recently had a situation where my perceptual filters analyzed a situation completely, 100% wrong. On our trip from Seattle to Stockton, CA we were at Neah Bay, WA waiting for a small Indian fishing boat to leave the fuel dock. It seemed to the three of us on our boat that they were taking their time fueling and we thought they were doing it just to irritate us. That turned into an "All Indians are Jerks" kind of attitude and the longer we waited the worse it got. They finally fueled up and left and we pulled up to the dock. The Indian lady manning the fuel dock turned out to be a very pleasant lady (not what we expected!!) and while we were there another Indian fishing boat pulled up on the opposite side of the dock to fuel up. They were cleaning some halibut they had caught and offered us a big filet which we gladly took.

This situation just proved to me (AGAIN!!) that some times our perceptual filters can be way off base. It was a very humbling experience for me and taught me a valuable lesson.
 
He may have been first, but maybe some common decency on "HIS" part would have been in order. Maybe the other guy should have taken the high road. Is it ok to be a jerk because you think you are right? Heck I'd be jumping all over alot of people everyday on the highways, in the grocery store, in restaruants.............

I'll use the old saying. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Its amazing how early effective communication can be productive. The best approach would have been to talk to the guy right off and work out a plan that made you both happy. I do that all the time when launching/retrieving my 175 Sport.
 

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