PC Based Route Management and More...

ChuckW

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Mar 6, 2009
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MA & Southwest FL
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2007 RoadKing Tri-Axle Trailer towed by a 2013 Yukon XL K2500
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496 MAG Bravo III
Thought I'd share this long winded version of a set of tools I use in conjunction with my GPS Plotter for planning and plotting routes and learning new waters via charts. My boat is equipped with a Garmin GPS3200 series plotter. It has built in maps for the entire US coast and most inland water ways. I update them annually.

I use Garmin's MapSource software product which allows me to take the data (routes, waypoints, and tracks) off my plotter and load them up in my PC in MapSource and vice-versa. The Garmin units use a proprietary data card. So I have a USB card reader which allows me to manage the data on the card freeing me from tethering the PC to the GPS Plotter. The caveat being that since my plotter has built in maps, I have to buy every mapkit for MapSource in which I want to do route management on the PC. Not so bad when you boat in a fixed area. However, in my case I do spend time boating the entire east coast from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico in FL and then most of the Great Lakes. Additionally, I come across web sites that provide tables of data on waypoints. eg: reefs for diving and fishing, etc. I wanted an easy way to bulk load them into my PC environment where I could make use of them for route planning.

So before I set out and started dumping tons of cash into maps for my PC (which were already on my plotter) I wanted to see if there was a better (more cost effective) way to get the job done and not violate any map and software licenses. Since I'm no slouch when it comes to computers and software (software engineer by background) I was willing to write code, but I wanted something low cost (or free) and would get the job done with and save me the time. I spent a lot of time exploring options and settled in on the following toolset. I’m sure money can buy a better paradigm, but that was the object to overcome.

For charts that I don't own for MapSource, I use Maptechs Chart Navigator Viewer (free edition). It provides a basic set of routing tools and allows you to load up the free electronic charts at MapTech Free Chart Kits. Using the viewer you can create routes and waypoints and explore the map datum. Once I have the routes all set, I can export the data to a folder. However the Garmin MapSource product does not recognize the data format created by Maptech’s Chart Navigator Viewer. So I needed to get the data into a format I could use in MapSource.

My research turned up a very handy free tool on the internet, although they accept donations. Among other things, it can read and write chart data in dozens of formats.

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The tool is G7 to Win. It is very powerful for data manipulation. I won’t elaborate on all it’s features, but it had two key capabilities I needed.

1. I can open the Chart Navigator data files and save them in a MapSource readable format. Once I had my routes and waypoints in MapSource I can push them to the data card for loading into my plotter. It just worked and worked well.
2. I can import CSV files, which allows me to take tables of waypoints off the internet (Sample FL Reefs) and load them into the tool. Then save them in any file format, in my case MapSource. This usually requires a little manipulation of the CSV format before it’s usable; I do that in Excel when necessary. File specs are in G7 to Win's help file.

The diamond in the rough here for me, is having a tool like G7 to Win which can transform data between platforms. I happen to use it for Maptech to MapSource, but it can work for any supported data format. So some valuable scenarios I see others exploiting:
1. Transform data from free PC charts to your plotter onboard.
2. Migrate an old library to a new one. eg: bought new electronics platform or upgraded to a new boat with a new electronics platform.
3. Leverage raw data from the internet on waypoints and transform it into usable waypoints for your plotter.

So over the past couple years of using this tool, I’ve built quite a library of routes and waypoints that I use all the time. I’ve found this to be a usable and affordable way of planning and researching charts of new waters. Not for everyone, but I hope someone finds it useful.
 

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I've played with the maptech Chart Navigator software, but still like MapSource better. IMHO - Garmin need to address the charting issue with the preloaded units.
 
Agreed on both fronts, but until then, it saves some money and still gets the job done.

Additionally, the G7 to Win tool can help someone convert their library if they change over to different equipment.
 
Agreed on both fronts, but until then, it saves some money and still gets the job done.

Additionally, the G7 to Win tool can help someone convert their library if they change over to different equipment.


Very true.
 
Very Very cool. Now bear with me here because I am "old school" but can and have written my own auto lisp routines in ACAD 2008 so I'm not a complete dummy.

Question for you guys is can I use my Maptech Chartbook software to create routes and waypoints and then input them into my Garmin GFPSMAP 182C. I know it has a removable chip but I'm not sure of it's size/format. Is this doable and how difficult is it?

Thanks in advance.
 
Very Very cool. Now bear with me here because I am "old school" but can and have written my own auto lisp routines in ACAD 2008 so I'm not a complete dummy.

Question for you guys is can I use my Maptech Chartbook software to create routes and waypoints and then input them into my Garmin GFPSMAP 182C. I know it has a removable chip but I'm not sure of it's size/format. Is this doable and how difficult is it?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, using the workflow I outlined. The 182c supports a data card. You will need to buy the USB Data Card reader at https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=1408 and download the MapSource software, link in original post above. But it will work as it does for me.

The basic steps are:
1. In Maptech choose the file export option to place all your routes and waypoints currently loaded into a destination folder.
2. Open G7 to Win and then do a file open and browse to the folder in step 1 above.
3. In G7 to Win do a file Save as and select the MapSource format.
4. Launch MapSource and open the file in step 3 above.
5. With the USB Card Reader plugged into the PC, from MapSource select Transfer / Send to Device.
6. Take the data card out of the reader and put it into your 182c. From 182c use the menu to load/read from data card and merge the data.

Done.
 
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Yes, using the workflow I outlined. The 182c supports a data card. You will need to buy the USB Data Card reader at https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=1408 and download the MapSource software, link in original post above. But it will work as it does for me.

The basic steps are:
1. In Maptech choose the file export option to place all your routes and waypoints currently loaded into a destination folder.
2. Open G7 to Win and then do a file open and browse to the folder in step 1 above.
3. In G7 to Win do a file Save as and select the MapSource format.
4. Launch MapSource and open the file in step 3 above.
5. With the USB Card Reader plugged into the PC, from MapSource select Transfer / Send to Device.
6. Take the data card out of the reader and put it into your 182c. From 182c use the menu to load/read from data card and merge the data.

Done.

Chuck,

Thanks. So when I do my adds and mods re: routes, waypoints, etc., do I transfer the entire East Coast of Florida Chart Set that has my stuff on it to the data card and use that card as my "new" card in the Garmin?
 
Chuck,

Thanks. So when I do my adds and mods re: routes, waypoints, etc., do I transfer the entire East Coast of Florida Chart Set that has my stuff on it to the data card and use that card as my "new" card in the Garmin?

Not really, the chart set stays with each program or device. You are only moving the routes and waypoints which are not much more than a label and coordinates. The volume of data is very small. Since Maptech has the chart on your PC and the 182c has the charts built in, you only need to move this route and waypoint data. Very simple and very light weight.

As far as how much you move, your only limit is the number of routes and waypoints your device can hold at one time. The data card only serves as the medium to move the data. Once you merge it into the 182c you no longer need to "read" from the card.
 
OK...so the entire data set for the Garmin is not on the card but in the RAM of the GPS and the card is just a medium by which to install updates...correct?
 
Not really, the chart set stays with each program or device. You are only moving the routes and waypoints which are not much more than a label and coordinates. The volume of data is very small. Since Maptech has the chart on your PC and the 182c has the charts built in, you only need to move this route and waypoint data. Very simple and very light weight.

As far as how much you move, your only limit is the number of routes and waypoints your device can hold at one time. The data card only serves as the medium to move the data. Once you merge it into the 182c you no longer need to "read" from the card.

All that having been said, if you only boat in a relatively small region of the country and have the Garmin unit, you may want to just spring for the $150 per chart set in MapSource for your area. Migrate your routes and waypoints off Maptech using this tool, then just use MapSource.
 
OK...so the entire data set for the Garmin is not on the card but in the RAM of the GPS and the card is just a medium by which to install updates...correct?

Yes, so long as you have a unit like ours where the charts are "built-in". There are units where the charts are not included and you have to buy Bluechart cards with the charts on them. But even with that type of device, you can still load the routes and waypoints and then pull the data card and put in the Bluechart card and your off.
 
"All that having been said, if you only boat in a relatively small region of the country and have the Garmin unit, you may want to just spring for the $150 per chart set in MapSource for your area. Migrate your routes and waypoints off Maptech using this tool, then just use MapSource."

That is what I have.:thumbsup:Except I have the Maptech version.
 
Yes, so long as you have a unit like ours where the charts are "built-in". There are units where the charts are not included and you have to buy Bluechart cards with the charts on them. But even with that type of device, you can still load the routes and waypoints and then pull the data card and put in the Bluechart card and your off.

That is the type of Garmin Unit I have and one of the reasons I do not like the Garmin Units that come pre-load with charts.
 
ChuckW - Great post & thread! Thanks for sharing your research/work.

I've been searching over the last couple weeks for free inland charts. Anyone have any luck finding any of these?

Again, great post Chuck. Thanks.
 
I am going to have to look into this a bit more using the NOAA charts

Thanks

ChuckW said:
...However, in my case I do spend time boating the entire east coast from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico in FL and then most of the Great Lakes...

Do you do all of this boating in the 260 or do you deliver boats?
 
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I am going to have to look into this a bit more using the NOAA charts

Thanks



Do you do all of this boating in the 260 or do you deliver boats?
All on my 260. Most people look at me cross-eyed when they learn I drag that thing all over the country. I do about 15k miles on the trailer each year. Last year we hit Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, Thousand Islands, NH, MA, Cape and Islands, RI, Solomons MD, FL East and West coasts. Most of our time is spent in MA and FL Gulf where we have homes. I bought the 260 just for this "mode"... trailerable.:thumbsup:
 
Thanks for this info, ChuckW. This is very interesting, but I'm still not sure of the process. I'm using Mapsource on the PC with two year old charts and I use it to create my waypoints and tracks and then transfer them to my Garmin 232 and 76Csx that I use as a backup. With BlueChart no longer available, how would I go about updating my charts in Mapsource, presuming I'm getting new charts from noaa? And if my waypoints and tracks are already in Mapsource, how do I overlay them onto the new charts?
 

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