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Camper Top and CO fumes

Went out yesterday with the full camper canvas up on the boat and all zipped up. Went for about a 45 minute cruise to dinner. On the way back you could smell the exhaust fumes a bit more, the CO detector even went off in the cabin. This is the first time we've gone for a cruise with the full canvas up - is that normal?

I was surprised the fumes would get in that easy while cruising. Opening up the rear side windows made it worse so we closed those up and just opened up the front center window. That seemed to help, but it gets cold quick...
 
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trdehmer said:
Went out yesterday with the full camper canvas up on the boat and all zipped up. Went for about a 45 minute cruise to dinner. On the way back you could smell the exhaust fumes a bit more, the CO detector even went off in the cabin. This is the first time we've gone for a cruise with the full canvas up - is that normal?

I was surprised the fumes would get in that easy while cruising. Opening up the rear side windows made it worse so we closed those up and just opened up the front center window. That seemed to help, but it gets cold quick...
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Boy, that's interesting to hear. I have the full camper up too and was planning to take it out Wed for a dinner cruise with the family but now you have me a little concerned. I thought about taking off the rear panel only but that seems even more dangerous with the station wagon effect.

I need to take it for spin at least once more to get the holding tank pumped -- guess I'll just have to freeze on that run.
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gotta get some air flow through the cockpit. went out yesterday.

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Tonka Boater said:
Boy, that's interesting to hear. I have the full camper up too and was planning to take it out Wed for a dinner cruise with the family but now you have me a little concerned. I thought about taking off the rear panel only but that seems even more dangerous with the station wagon effect.

I need to take it for spin at least once more to get the holding tank pumped -- guess I'll just have to freeze on that run.
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It is the "Station Wagon" effect. You need to have clean air flowing out of the enclosure (positive pressure) to keep the exhaust from being sucked in

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/carbon_monoxide_alert.htm
 
Re: Camper Top and CO fumes

trdehmer said:
Went out yesterday with the full camper canvas up on the boat and all zipped up. Went for about a 45 minute cruise to dinner. On the way back you could smell the exhaust fumes a bit more, the CO detector even went off in the cabin. This is the first time we've gone for a cruise with the full canvas up - is that normal?

I was surprised the fumes would get in that easy while cruising. Opening up the rear side windows made it worse so we closed those up and just opened up the front center window. That seemed to help, but it gets cold quick...
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Like you, we try to extend the season via the camper enclosure.

I have found that if I keep all panels installed except the front middle panel I get no exhaust issues. If its raining and cold I will install the front middle panel but unzip the three top zippers of the front 3 pieces as far as I can even if we get a bit wet, not soaked.

We normally keep one window open in the cabin on the lee side.
 
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66pony said:
It is the "Station Wagon" effect. You need to have clean air flowing out of the enclosure (positive pressure) to keep the exhaust from being sucked in

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/carbon_monoxide_alert.htm
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We keep clean air flowing in the enclosure (positive pressure) to keep the exhaust from being sucked in by keeping the back panel on and the front middle panel off.
 
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Thanks for the replies. That sort of ruins fall cruises in Minnesota, cause its darn cold now already for this time of year..
 
trdehmer said:
Thanks for the replies. That sort of ruins fall cruises in Minnesota, cause its darn cold now already for this time of year..
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You will be surprised how little difference the wind / temperature is inside the cockpit with the front middle panel removed but all the rest up vs all up.

Basically a small amount keeps entering. The rear panels will actually bow outward.
 
trdehmer said:
That sort of ruins fall cruises in Minnesota, cause its darn cold now already for this time of year..
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That's an understatement. Jeez, summer one day....dang cold the next. It went from 78-80 to 50's in one day and nothing but cold forecast. Is a slow transition too much to ask? I need out of here....I feel the Seasonal Affective Disorder coming on.
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What I have done to keep fresh air in is to partially open the front hatch about an inch, and lock the handles in the groove that's right before the opening. It locks the window in place, keeping it from getting ripped back. It wont turn all the way to lock, but enough to keep it from opening itself.

You can also crack the walk-through. I have balled up towels to crack the window up a bit. Keep the snaps on the top of the widow to keep it in place, Then push out while stuffing something soft under it.

The key is to keep side (sucking) windows/curtains closed tight, and crack some forward openings.
 
Ahoy All, I'm looking to purchase this generation (2001-2009) 280 Sundancer in probably about 5 years time or sooner. My family owned a 1986 Sea Ray 39 Express since new until a couple of years ago. I formerly had a 1987 17' Boston Whaler Montauk and now sport a 2001 21' Boston Whaler Outrage, but I'm looking to get into the first cruiser of my own. I think the 280 Dancer fits the bill perfectly. I'll be looking at a boat with Generator/AC/Twin Alpha I's. I was wondering though if there was a thread to track all of the 280 Model Year Changes? For instance, it seems like Sea Ray is showing their final 2009 model with wood cabinets with sliding doors in the V-berth (instead of the curtained cabinets). I know that the engines switched over in 2003, but I was wondering what were some other key changes and when they took place? Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks!
 
they put a stupid door on the transom that lets water in 2009. Some fabric color changes, some vinyl cockpit color changes. But that's about it.
 
Lets see...one of only a few significant changes between model years was the change over to the biii drives with the extra zincs for additional protection. I think all models had mercathode system. DTS shifting is offered on 2006+ I believe. Sea Core offered in 2007+. And as you mention, there was a change in power package offerings early in the model. Otherwise, mostly what I would consider cosmetic changes.
 
Looks like they changed from the ruffle style dinette fabric to the more smooth look in 2006 I believe?
 
Hello all!

Thinking about buying a 2002 280da with 150hrs on t-4.3, generator 75hrs, for $48k.

It needs some minor TLC-
-windlass solenoid
-snap-in-carpet
-4 in 1 gauge needs replaced
-I'd like to buy a mooring cover
-wood steering wheel needs replaced
-vinyl seats need to get recovered in about a year

Low hour boat, fiberglass looks mint, it was a saltwater boat for the 1st 5yrs and it looks like the cockpit was left uncovered causing the steering wheel to crack & the gauge bezels are corroding.

Also, the owner has alum props since he says Lake Wylie is corrosive to the SS props, he's also including the regular SS props. He say the boat will plane a little faster with the SS ones.

Took it for a spin and it ran great- a little smoke at startup but it went a away immediately.

Does this sound like a great deal? Anything else I should be checking out?

Thanks
Tony
 
You can have mine for a hair more and it doesn't need anything but a new owner.
 
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