Not the whole moving from a Cruiser to a Sedan discussion again

[mrsrobinson]

"If you haven't gotten your mind around this, you sure as hell shouldn't be calling brokers and asking why the seller is interested in selling."

I'll assume that was directed at me, and yes, I have stopped calling brokers until we do get our hands around this. Thanks for the advise.

 

[osd9]

.....Dom? Has your wife ever been on a DB? I thought she rode on an aft cabin boat and didn't like it....

Not a DB per sey it was a 41 Luhrs SF.....She also rode on a Cruisers 3750 AC

 

[osd9]

......The cabin of a DA is a miserable place to be in bouncy conditions. The cabin of an EB isn't such a bad place to be in the same conditions...

The cabin in a DA will put you further forward where the pounding, and the movement, would be worse. The cabin of a DB will be more like riding the cockpit of a DA...unless you are in the forward stateroom...then they are the same.

Plus....the perception thing again. In the 'cave' of the DA you can't see what your are feeling.

 

[Morpheus]

I happen to drop by MM yesterday and they had a 2008 Dancer and Sedan Bridge next to each other the Dancer was bigger (can't remember the sized but wanna say a 42 and a 47 or something)

Anyways I walked them both and yes the dancer had more open space but the sudan bridge although smaller felt alot bigger.

Just thought I'd through that out there.

 

[Pseudomind]

I know some of you have been on both, but I think some folks with DA's assume that the ride is bouncy on a bridge.

I had a gas 380. That thing bounced over waves. With a diesel 450EB, it powers through waves. You don't even feel them, bridge or otherwise.

The cabin of a DA is a miserable place to be in bouncy conditions. The cabin of an EB isn't such a bad place to be in the same conditions.

The bottom line, though, is this: If you haven't gotten your mind around this, you sure as hell shouldn't be calling brokers and asking why the seller is interested in selling.

Now I have to ponder about your comments? Surely your statements are not comparing a 380DA to a 450EB? There has to be some substantial dry weight difference between the 380 DA and the 450EB alone.

So does/will a 450 DA "powers through waves" at about the same equivalent of a 450EB? :huh:

 

[fc3]

Plus....the perception thing again. In the 'cave' of the DA you can't see what your are feeling.

I once had a mangler, I mean manager who often would spout idiotic sayings, such as "Perception is reality." No, what's real is reality. Perception is viewing reality though a fog of misconception. Perception is, in short, a crock of poop. The problem with perception is getting the person past his or her superstitions so that he views the data rationally. Unfortunately, people love their beliefs whether correct, rational, or otherwise.

BTW, the Cruisers 37' aft cabin is a crock of poop, too. It's a high-rise dock-queen mini-condo that's not meant to be used as a boat, just like that awful Carver that Gary posted on the preceding page.

Best regards,
Frank C

 

[hack4alivin]

Nope, I do not want to have that whole discussion again. I do however want to hear from the folks who moved from a Cruiser to a Sedan Bridge or an Aft Cabin.

If you did not make that move please do not reply with sarcasm ;-)

........ What happened???????

 

[osd9]

..... The problem with perception is getting the person past his or her superstitions so that he views the data rationally. Unfortunately, people love their beliefs whether correct, rational, or otherwise.

That is the reality of human behavior with regard to their fears! Fear exists in humans.....the fear doesn't have to be about a real threat....the fear just has to be preceived and the person will believe it to 'be'. You're not going to be able to teach the math and physics of CB and CG to everyone with fear of bridge motion, and then expect them to 'get over it', no more than you are going get someone through an inlet into the Atlantic on a windless day with blue skies if they have a fear of inlets and the Ocean.

Just because it isn't real, doesn't mean a person doesn't feel it....fear that is.

 

[ImpulseIII]

Huh??:huh:

 

[Converse48]

I think what Dom is trying to say is that his wife doesn't want a DB becuase she fears the "roller coaster" ride and explaining to her that her fears are not legitimate based on mathematics ain't gonna work.

 

[jg300da]

Bingo.

 

[rondds]

Rondds experience with speed has to do with the era of his boat. The modern DB's don't suffer that problem

check fuel consumption on the new 36DB equipped with 8.1s. they dont differ much from mine. i can cruise at 23 knots, and top out at 28 knots. i choose not to - it is just not efficient and way too costly to run at that clip. as i stated, buying diesel eliminates the speed vs. consumption arguement of a DB, whether it's in an older bridge boat or a newer one.

 

[Overextended]

We cruise at 20kts, and get .6 MPG whether we are at 3000 or 3900 RPM.

 

[rondds]

0.7MPG at 18.5mph (26gph, 3250RPM). i drop below 0.60 at 23 mph (close to 40gph, 3600RPM). depends on weight and wind and seas. i try to keep the other two barrels closed. not an issue with FI.

 

[WFYB]

We made the move from a 42DA to a 500DB in July. Our decision was driven by the way we boat. We used to load up with beer and snacks, throw off the lines and burn some diesel for an afternoon, a weekend or slightly more. The dancer was an ideal platform, easy to single hand, easy to grab a mooring ball, easy to raft up, fuel efficient etc. We tended to spend more time outside then inside. The only time we saw the cabin was to sleep or get more chips. Over time we have been spending more time destination boating. We spent a week in Lucaya, two weeks in the Abacos, another week in the Keys. The bridge boat is much more comfortable at the dock, the ride is softer and quiet on the bridge, the visibility is a huge plus navigating shallow waters. The ride is different when compared to the dancer, particularly in choppy quartering seas. The boat feels like it lurches and rolls more. I learned to use more tab then I was used to using and the ride improved dramatically. One other big plus, the bridge boat with it's straight shafts and torquey QSM11s is even easier to handle in close quarters then the already easy to handle 420DA. Is one platform better then another? No they just meet different needs. I could easily return to a dancer if our boating style changes again.

 

[mrsrobinson]

Good points. We are still in the mode where you were with your 420. We are torn though as we took some longer cruises this summer, which meant more time on the boat, and she feels small after a few days.

Plus, we want to use her more in the winter as a hang out getaway place. The SBs and ACs are much more suited for that, which takes me back to loving an AC we looked at this winter and liking it when seeing it again this summer. Maybe we need one of each? ;-)