No-Flex fail

[wayne0]

This season, I've been using No-Flex religiously and my sensors failed to the point where I overflowed the tank. I had used Happy Camper previously with no problems. I read about No-Flex, so I thought I'd try it.
Guess I'll go back.

 

[techmitch]

This season, I've been using No-Flex religiously and my sensors failed to the point where I overflowed the tank. I had used Happy Camper previously with no problems. I read about No-Flex, so I thought I'd try it.
Guess I'll go back.

Don't blame it on the No-Flex if you still have the 22year old sensors.

 

[Chris-380]

Don't blame it on the No-Flex if you still have the 22year old sensors.

I cleaned my sensors completely twice now, have to do it annually, I have been using noflex, fully for 3 seasons. Everything else is good. So I just deal with it

 

[nealtrombley]

love NO Flex... 20 year old sensors are all working, both heads on the 410 hold vacuum for 7-10 days easily now.. of course new duck bills and toilet seals.. every pump out we add a gallon or two of freash water with Noflex and its working great

 

[Carpediem44DB]

As in just about every case "your results may vary" applies here. One thing that some folks don't understand or others on their boat don't know is that you can not use any house hold cleansers on the head or the digester organisms will die and there fore be of no help at all. I have very strict protocols in place when it comes to cleaning the heads. Like my wife would do it anyway!

 

[bbwhitejr]

As in just about every case "your results may vary" applies here. One thing that some folks don't understand or others on their boat don't know is that you can not use any house hold cleansers on the head or the digester organisms will die and there fore be of no help at all. I have very strict protocols in place when it comes to cleaning the heads. Like my wife would do it anyway!

100% agree. To clean the toilet, we simply put in a scoop of NoFlex and swish it around with a brush and flush….no other chemicals go in the toilet….

Bennett

 

[Strecker25]

I bought the special cleaner and like it so far, you don’t need to use much

I’ve also used a tablet of tank-teria after each pumpout and heavy on Carter’s noflex formula (since I have 30 lbs of the stuff ) in an effort to give the system some extra cleaning for our first season. Seems to have worked well

 

[Charlesoceanone]

My gauges would fail immediately after I would clean them with the blue stuff but since no flex for going on 2 years they work flawlessly. I also use the cleaner from marinesan and the terra tabs.

 

[bobeast]

I think what we may have here is a koinkydink. Many of us have been using No-Flex for years, without issue.

 

[Blueone]

I have used Carter’s poopy powder all summer with great results.. after years of noflex. I will use CPP next year as well

 

[MonacoMike]

This season, I've been using No-Flex religiously and my sensors failed to the point where I overflowed the tank. I had used Happy Camper previously with no problems. I read about No-Flex, so I thought I'd try it.
Guess I'll go back.

What protocols do you employ? Liquid only? Solids and liquids? Paper, solids, and liquids? Anything goes, including feminine hygiene products?

Lots of unknown variables here.

But let’s blame a product that so many use successfully first...

 

[Henry Boyd]

As in just about every case "your results may vary" applies here. One thing that some folks don't understand or others on their boat don't know is that you can not use any house hold cleansers on the head or the digester organisms will die and there fore be of no help at all. I have very strict protocols in place when it comes to cleaning the heads. Like my wife would do it anyway!

Uh, no. A boat has a holding tank, not a septic system. These are different and work under different principles. The holding tank is just that, a temporary place to hold the stuff until it can be off loaded. A septic system is designed to promote a biological reaction that converts waste and bacteria to an inert sludge and environmentally clean water that can be bled off to the groundwater table. The septic system does require periodic removal of the built up sludge.

Chemicals to a holding tank are intended to keep the tank and plumbing clean from waste adhering to them. On the other hand septic systems should only get biological products that will promote the growth of “good” bacteria that feeds off the “bad” bacteria and organic waste.

Treating a holding tank, or a septic system, by a method meant for the other is a recipe for disaster. The holding tank will build up a sludge that could be too dense for existing pump out systems to remove, dumping NoFlex down your home septic system will have your lawn turning into a swamp of untreated toilet waste in no time; great as fertilizer, not so pleasing on the nose.

No Flex is a mix of Sodium carbonate and Sodium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

Edit: Corrected chemicals from Ca Carbonate and Ca Percarbonate to Na Carbonate and Na Percarbonate.

 

[Blueone]

No Flex is a mix of calcium carbonate and calcium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

sorry…. don’t understand your point? I have been using no flex for a few years ….. I have used every other blue thing for years and years. Nothing has worked as well as no flex to hold poop or my shower sump for that matter

 

[Tim Fila]

Henry=mis-informed

 

[Strecker25]

Uh, no. A boat has a holding tank, not a septic system. These are different and work under different principles. The holding tank is just that, a temporary place to hold the stuff until it can be off loaded. A septic system is designed to promote a biological reaction that converts waste and bacteria to an inert sludge and environmentally clean water that can be bled off to the groundwater table. The septic system does require periodic removal of the built up sludge.

Chemicals to a holding tank are intended to keep the tank and plumbing clean from waste adhering to them. On the other hand septic systems should only get biological products that will promote the growth of “good” bacteria that feeds off the “bad” bacteria and organic waste.

Treating a holding tank, or a septic system, by a method meant for the other is a recipe for disaster. The holding tank will build up a sludge that could be too dense for existing pump out systems to remove, dumping NoFlex down your home septic system will have your lawn turning into a swamp of untreated toilet waste in no time; great as fertilizer, not so pleasing on the nose.

No Flex is a mix of calcium carbonate and calcium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

that brings up an interesting question for me since i've been using tank-teria as well as noflex. I'm wondering if the tank-teria is useless since we pump out once every couple of weeks and basically starting over in terms of the good bacteria. I

 

[HawkX66]

I don't always agree with Henry, but I think he's making a valid point.

 

[Carpediem44DB]

Uh, no. A boat has a holding tank, not a septic system. These are different and work under different principles. The holding tank is just that, a temporary place to hold the stuff until it can be off loaded. A septic system is designed to promote a biological reaction that converts waste and bacteria to an inert sludge and environmentally clean water that can be bled off to the groundwater table. The septic system does require periodic removal of the built up sludge.

Chemicals to a holding tank are intended to keep the tank and plumbing clean from waste adhering to them. On the other hand septic systems should only get biological products that will promote the growth of “good” bacteria that feeds off the “bad” bacteria and organic waste.

Treating a holding tank, or a septic system, by a method meant for the other is a recipe for disaster. The holding tank will build up a sludge that could be too dense for existing pump out systems to remove, dumping NoFlex down your home septic system will have your lawn turning into a swamp of untreated toilet waste in no time; great as fertilizer, not so pleasing on the nose.

No Flex is a mix of calcium carbonate and calcium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

My bad, I wrote in a way that implies there is a bacterial fauna to protect rather than a delicate chemical reaction that can be disrupted by house hold cleaners. I did not intend to mis-lead the discussion, only to point out that with most things results vary based on practices both in our control and out.

 

[bbwhitejr]

Uh, no. A boat has a holding tank, not a septic system. These are different and work under different principles. The holding tank is just that, a temporary place to hold the stuff until it can be off loaded. A septic system is designed to promote a biological reaction that converts waste and bacteria to an inert sludge and environmentally clean water that can be bled off to the groundwater table. The septic system does require periodic removal of the built up sludge.

Chemicals to a holding tank are intended to keep the tank and plumbing clean from waste adhering to them. On the other hand septic systems should only get biological products that will promote the growth of “good” bacteria that feeds off the “bad” bacteria and organic waste.

Treating a holding tank, or a septic system, by a method meant for the other is a recipe for disaster. The holding tank will build up a sludge that could be too dense for existing pump out systems to remove, dumping NoFlex down your home septic system will have your lawn turning into a swamp of untreated toilet waste in no time; great as fertilizer, not so pleasing on the nose.

No Flex is a mix of calcium carbonate and calcium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

I am under the impression it is a mix of sodium carbonate and sodium percarbonate....

Bennett

 

[MonacoMike]

Uh, no. A boat has a holding tank, not a septic system. These are different and work under different principles. The holding tank is just that, a temporary place to hold the stuff until it can be off loaded. A septic system is designed to promote a biological reaction that converts waste and bacteria to an inert sludge and environmentally clean water that can be bled off to the groundwater table. The septic system does require periodic removal of the built up sludge.

Chemicals to a holding tank are intended to keep the tank and plumbing clean from waste adhering to them. On the other hand septic systems should only get biological products that will promote the growth of “good” bacteria that feeds off the “bad” bacteria and organic waste.

Treating a holding tank, or a septic system, by a method meant for the other is a recipe for disaster. The holding tank will build up a sludge that could be too dense for existing pump out systems to remove, dumping NoFlex down your home septic system will have your lawn turning into a swamp of untreated toilet waste in no time; great as fertilizer, not so pleasing on the nose.

No Flex is a mix of calcium carbonate and calcium percarbonate. Put together and mixed with water these create basically a hydrogen peroxide solution. Hardly the stuff to promote biological decay of poop. This combination is a chemical riff on Oxyclean and traditional powder detergents like Tide.

All I can tell you is the parts of the system I can see are cleaner than I have ever seen before, the admirals highly sensitive nose believes this to be much better than any other product we’ve tried in 30 years of RV and boating. I have not seen a solid in the sight tube of the pump out this entire season. It was originally intended for a cruise ship holding tanks.

 

[Henry Boyd]

I am under the impression it is a mix of sodium carbonate and sodium percarbonate....

Bennett

You are right. That’s what I get for not double checking my Amazon orders list for the Poopy Powder components. Well at least I got the carbonate and percarbonate part right.