Mutiny!

[Arminius]

My concern about decocking her revolver was that she should always point at the floor before putting both thumbs on the cocked hammer spur, pulling the trigger, and gently lowering the hammer. I didn't want it pointed at me if her thumbs slipped while she was jabbering. Turns out she always cocks before firing and never cocks unless she is going to fire-which works at the range but not in real life.

A revolver with a very heavy trigger and no hammer spur would be a good gift for a petite lady would-be mutineer!

 

[Henry Boyd]

My concern about decocking her revolver was that she should always point at the floor before putting both thumbs on the cocked hammer spur, pulling the trigger, and gently lowering the hammer. I didn't want it pointed at me if her thumbs slipped while she was jabbering. Turns out she always cocks before firing and never cocks unless she is going to fire-which works at the range but not in real life.

A revolver with a very heavy trigger and no hammer spur would be a good gift for a petite lady would-be mutineer!

Actually the text book method for decocking a revolver as taught in the RSO courses is to pinch the hammer with thumb and fore finger (finger between hammer face and firing pin, thumb on spur) while releasing trigger.

 

[HawkX66]

Actually the text book method for decocking a revolver as taught in the RSO courses is to pinch the hammer with thumb and fore finger (finger between hammer face and firing pin, thumb on spur) while releasing trigger.

Lol. Then there is real life... I hope you don't actually teach that foolish method. Recipe for disaster if I've ever seen it.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Lol. Then there is real life... I hope you don't actually teach that foolish method. Recipe for disaster if I've ever seen it.

If you want the NRA certification, you follow the company line. Actually the first I time I used that method was for my first RSO test. I never did again until last spring when I was renewing my instructor certification.

 

[HawkX66]

If you want the NRA certification, you follow the company line. Actually the first I time I used that method was for my first RSO test. I never did again until last spring when I was renewing my instructor certification.

Sad state of affairs that the NRA teaches that. Glad to hear you know better...
So, you weren't the one driving the 175' yacht that bumped the commercial fishing boat after getting caught in their mooring line in Newburyport last week were you?

 

[Henry Boyd]

Sad state of affairs that the NRA teaches that. Glad to hear you know better...
So, you weren't the one driving the 175' yacht that bumped the commercial fishing boat after getting caught in their mooring line in Newburyport last week were you?

I don’t think it’s a sad state of affairs. The stuff we teach as NRA instructors is basic and aimed at an audience that is completely unschooled in firearms. So we teach basically how to go to the range, start to get experience and not shoot themselves or someone else in the process.

On the other, No, I’m the guy whose neighbor drove her center console up onto the dock.

 

[HawkX66]

I don’t think it’s a sad state of affairs. The stuff we teach as NRA instructors is basic and aimed at an audience that is completely unschooled in firearms. So we teach basically how to go to the range, start to get experience and not shoot themselves or someone else in the process.

On the other, No, I’m the guy whose neighbor drove her center console up onto the dock.

We disagree on the state of affairs then. That method can easily go wrong and get someone shot. Teach someone the right way from day one and you're not teaching bad habits that the rest of us have to break them of, or worse, clean up after.

 

[Arminius]

Me thinks a suitable punishment would be for the mutineer to report for duty naked. That always makes me forget about her previous refusal to follow orders. In fact, I now order her not to obey my orders!

S. Clay Wilson, passed 2/21.

 

[Henry Boyd]

We disagree on the state of affairs then. That method can easily go wrong and get someone shot. Teach someone the right way from day one and you're not teaching bad habits that the rest of us have to break them of, or worse, clean up after.

Exactly! Except that I’m thinking in the context of accidents at home or the range. The purpose of NRA Basic Pistol (or rifle or shotgun) is not to produce a marksman right out of the box (as your Marine training was intended). These are designed to teach the cardinal safety rules: muzzle in safe direction always, finger off trigger until ready to shoot, etc. But more importantly, how to physically manipulate the firearm without violating them.

 

[Pirate Lady]

Actually the text book method for decocking a revolver as taught in the RSO courses is to pinch the hammer with thumb and fore finger (finger between hammer face and firing pin, thumb on spur) while releasing trigger.

Virginia Dragoon .44 Magnum Single Action here. The proper way is to lower the hammer onto the empty cylinder, designated by the indents on either side of the cylinder. You DO only load 5 and keep that cylinder empty? Of course you do, right? RIGHT? (Rugers with transfer bar excluded).

 

[HawkX66]

Exactly! Except that I’m thinking in the context of accidents at home or the range. The purpose of NRA Basic Pistol (or rifle or shotgun) is not to produce a marksman right out of the box (as your Marine training was intended). These are designed to teach the cardinal safety rules: muzzle in safe direction always, finger off trigger until ready to shoot, etc. But more importantly, how to physically manipulate the firearm without violating them.

Honestly I'm not thinking about combat marksmanship when I'm commenting here. I'm thinking about the many civilians I've trained. You are correct that my Marine Corps training was different in most aspects, but that was a long time ago for me. My LE training was also very different. The most important parts are the same though. Safety and knowing how to send the round down range when and where it's supposed to go. Pirate Lady has a good point, but in reality I think most people carrying a revolver don't carry 4 in a 5 round or 5 in a 6 round etc because there are so few to begin with. At the end of the day, "don't go off half cocked."
You want to see some real brain surgeons? The Mass DOC SRT guys are trained to carry their weapon cocked, hammer back. A piece of fabric in the holster is supposed to stop an accidental hammer drop. I'll just leave that here... Funny story... I was training with them about 12 years ago. After I gave one of them some shit for the hammer back holstered weapon, another one of them tried to tell me I had a bunch of missed rounds on the target. He said this because he could only find a few obvious and easy to count holes in the center ring. Another one of his buddies laughed at him and said the next time he should actually watch me shoot. It was a very small ragged hole. It showed that he hadn't been around many guys that could actually shoot or he just wasn't paying attention. Sad either way. I don't mean to bust their chops because otherwise they're pretty hard core, but that procedure is just foolish IMO.

 

[scoflaw]

So you hunt with a shotgun, 1 in the chamber and the invisible hammer is cocked so no different
What am I missing here? We're here to kill

 

[HawkX66]

So you hunt with a shotgun, 1 in the chamber and the invisible hammer is cocked so no different
What am I missing here? We're here to kill

We implies your SRT. Yes? If you can't see what's wrong with carrying a revolver with a hair trigger and hammer back then there isn't much I can say. You're way off the deep end in my opinion. This isn't a shotgun and you're not sitting there in a stand or walking with the safety on.

 

[scoflaw]

You do have a safety on your weapon right?
OK revolver, no safety
Who carries a revolver these days?

 

[Henry Boyd]

Honestly I'm not thinking about combat marksmanship when I'm commenting here. I'm thinking about the many civilians I've trained. You are correct that my Marine Corps training was different in most aspects, but that was a long time ago for me. My LE training was also very different. The most important parts are the same though. Safety and knowing how to send the round down range when and where it's supposed to go. Pirate Lady has a good point, but in reality I think most people carrying a revolver don't carry 4 in a 5 round or 5 in a 6 round etc because there are so few to begin with. At the end of the day, "don't go off half cocked."
You want to see some real brain surgeons? The Mass DOC SRT guys are trained to carry their weapon cocked, hammer back. A piece of fabric in the holster is supposed to stop an accidental hammer drop. I'll just leave that here... Funny story... I was training with them about 12 years ago. After I gave one of them some shit for the hammer back holstered weapon, another one of them tried to tell me I had a bunch of missed rounds on the target. He said this because he could only find a few obvious and easy to count holes in the center ring. Another one of his buddies laughed at him and said the next time he should actually watch me shoot. It was a very small ragged hole. It showed that he hadn't been around many guys that could actually shoot or he just wasn't paying attention. Sad either way. I don't mean to bust their chops because otherwise they're pretty hard core, but that procedure is just foolish IMO.

Anything involving Mass CO does not surprise me in the least based on the few I’ve known, but that has more to do with gun club politics than shooting skills. I do like 1911s, but to carry one with a round chambered and cocked, not in my lifetime. Your story reminds me of a two man drill I did during one of the Sig Academy classes I took, called chase the dot. First guy shoots second guy then has to hit first guys hole. If he does, he then becomes first guy and process repeats. If not he keeps trying. Process is done with a set number of mags. First guy out ends the drill. It’s surprising once you get rolling just accurate you can get.

 

[HawkX66]

You do have a safety on your weapon right?
OK revolver, no safety
Who carries a revolver these days?

No. My safety is my trigger finger and my brain. Safeties get good guys killed.
Nothing wrong with a revolver as long as you aren't worried about reloading... Anaconda 44 mag was one of the most accurate pistols I've ever shot. Problem is that its like carrying a cannon. Not edc practical.

Anything involving Mass CO does not surprise me in the least based on the few I’ve known, but that has more to do with gun club politics than shooting skills. I do like 1911s, but to carry one with a round chambered and cocked, not in my lifetime. Your story reminds me of a two man drill I did during one of the Sig Academy classes I took, called chase the dot. First guy shoots second guy then has to hit first guys hole. If he does, he then becomes first guy and process repeats. If not he keeps trying. Process is done with a set number of mags. First guy out ends the drill. It’s surprising once you get rolling just accurate you can get.

I feel like an idiot. You writing 1911 reminded me I was referring to theirs as revolvers. They were 1911s with safety off one in the chamber and hammer back. My issue of course still was with the hammer back. Memory is slipping...
COs don't carry (unless srt or on perimeter patrol) and get extremely limited weapons training so to compare them to anyone who shoots isn't really fair. Alot are veterans though and know how to shoot.
That drill you mentioned is a good one. You're lucky to have Sig so close. It's one of the things I miss about being in New England less often now. Do you ever go to the competitions in Harvard? I shoot alot by myself on my own property here in VA and do the same drill against myself alot of times whether it's with my .40 at 3 - 25 yds or my .300 winmag at a couple hundred yards. The smaller you aim training the smaller you miss when you need it when reaction shooting of course.

 

[Nater Potater]

You do have a safety on your weapon right?
OK revolver, no safety
Who carries a revolver these days?

Me. Hammerless S&W. Nothing to jamb, can be shot either handed. If a round misfires, just keep pulling the trigger. Sure, it "only" holds five rounds, but, realistically, how many of us expect to get in a gun battle where he with the most rounds wins? Two well-placed shots ought to take care of matters.

 

[HawkX66]

Me. Hammerless S&W. Nothing to jamb, can be shot either handed. If a round misfires, just keep pulling the trigger. Sure, it "only" holds five rounds, but, realistically, how many of us expect to get in a gun battle where he with the most rounds wins? Two well-placed shots ought to take care of matters.

Most gun "battles" (civilian) have very few shots fired. I'd hate to be in the other ones with a revolver though. I've often thought about grabbing one of those hammerless. Good "get off me weapon."

 

[scoflaw]

Me. Hammerless S&W. Nothing to jamb, can be shot either handed. If a round misfires, just keep pulling the trigger. Sure, it "only" holds five rounds, but, realistically, how many of us expect to get in a gun battle where he with the most rounds wins? Two well-placed shots ought to take care of matters.

I'm sure your aware of accuracy stats in a gun battle. you'd be lucky to get 1 well placed shot