Maretron DSM410 / J2K100 / J1939 Onan programming

[ocgrant]

Tom,

Got my DSM410 today from BOE and would like to take you up on your configuration screen shots you offered to configure the J2K100 to Onan J1939

Figured I would start a thread on this for future use instead of a DM

Thank you in advance

 

[ttmott]

No problem Grant - I can run by the boat sometime Sunday if OK.
Make sure you read the DSM manual so you can manipulate through the screens; It's actually pretty intuitive once the principals are understood.

 

[ocgrant]

No problem Grant - I can run by the boat sometime Sunday if OK.
Make sure you read the DSM manual so you can manipulate through the screens; It's actually pretty intuitive once the principals are understood.

Yes sir... all 289 pages are being reviewed. Does look pretty straight forward just wondering about address stuff and how you laid out your screens.

 

[ocgrant]

Tom I am all wired and mounted. Just have to hook the DSM410 up to the N2K network in the morning as I need to grab a drop cable on the way to the boat. The adaptor I got has this sticker on the side, not sure if that is showing it already configured correctly or not.

 

[Shaps]

I have my J2K100 ordered but haven't rcvd it yet. I was reading through the manual ( https://www.maretron.com/support/manuals/J2K100UM_1.4.pdf ) and saw this regarding hours:

2.5.6 Request Engine Hours Enable/Disable Some J1939 ECU’s will not transmit engine hours unless they are requested to. If this setting is enabled, then the J2K100 will periodically transmit a request for the engine hours message to the J1939 ECU over the J1939 network. This is the only time the J2K100 will transmit messages over the J1939 network. If this setting is disabled, then the J2K100 will not transmit any messages over the J1939 network.

Before going down a rabbit hole, I assume you guys have tried enabling this to no avail?

The revision history in that manual states Revision 1.4 includes:
... added related PGN’s Added documentation on request engine hours configuration option

 

[ttmott]

I have my J2K100 ordered but haven't rcvd it yet. I was reading through the manual ( https://www.maretron.com/support/manuals/J2K100UM_1.4.pdf ) and saw this regarding hours:

2.5.6 Request Engine Hours Enable/Disable Some J1939 ECU’s will not transmit engine hours unless they are requested to. If this setting is enabled, then the J2K100 will periodically transmit a request for the engine hours message to the J1939 ECU over the J1939 network. This is the only time the J2K100 will transmit messages over the J1939 network. If this setting is disabled, then the J2K100 will not transmit any messages over the J1939 network.

Before going down a rabbit hole, I assume you guys have tried enabling this to no avail?

The revision history in that manual states Revision 1.4 includes:
... added related PGN’s Added documentation on request engine hours configuration option

Yup. This is the only command the J2K100 issues. One of several possibilities: The command isn't being issued. The NIM is not understanding, accepting or responding to the command. The J2K100 isn't understanding the J1939 NIM response and can't place the appropriate PGN on the NMEA 2000 network. The display(s) are not configured to display.
@alnav and I worked this issue the best we could but still can't get that data to display.

 

[Shaps]

Thanks @ttmott
I figured that was the case, but hoped it wasn't.

 

[alnav]

Yup. This is the only command the J2K100 issues. One of several possibilities: The command isn't being issued. The NIM is not understanding, accepting or responding to the command. The J2K100 isn't understanding the J1939 NIM response and can't place the appropriate PGN on the NMEA 2000 network. The display(s) are not configured to display.
@alnav and I worked this issue the best we could but still can't get that data to display.

Although I installed a J2K100, I ended up settling on the Yacht Devices (YD) YDEG-04 converter for the final configuration. I had the YD programmers involved in the generator engine hours issue to no avail. I sent them log files so that they could see exactly what was being sent and received over N2K; they concluded that the NIM was not sending. I'm somewhat excited to see whether Grant's J2K100 will send/receive engine hours. Looks like it somehow passed through Cummins so perhaps the pre-configuration will make a difference.
Grant, I forgot your configuration. Are you Garmin? VesselView? If either you probably want to configure those in parallel with the DSM410. I've got some VV4 configuration screens if you need them. On the Garmins, I ran into a problem with engine instance being duplicated between the engines and the generator (it is seen as a third engine); the DSM and VV didn't care but Garmin did.

 

[ttmott]

Although I installed a J2K100, I ended up settling on the Yacht Devices (YD) YDEG-04 converter for the final configuration. I had the YD programmers involved in the generator engine hours issue to no avail. I sent them log files so that they could see exactly what was being sent and received over N2K; they concluded that the NIM was not sending. I'm somewhat excited to see whether Grant's J2K100 will send/receive engine hours. Looks like it somehow passed through Cummins so perhaps the pre-configuration will make a difference.
Grant, I forgot your configuration. Are you Garmin? VesselView? If either you probably want to configure those in parallel with the DSM410. I've got some VV4 configuration screens if you need them. On the Garmins, I ran into a problem with engine instance being duplicated between the engines and the generator (it is seen as a third engine); the DSM and VV didn't care but Garmin did.

He doesn't have it working - Yet.... His J2K100 engine hour request is enabled just like my J2K100 is enabled. What we will do is take snapshots of his J2K100 configuration and compare to mine; maybe Cummins/Maretron is doing something different.

 

[ttmott]

 

[ocgrant]

Tom & Al thank you..
I got it all plugged in and started the DSM410 and went to discover device and found nothing... Looked at my Fusion remotes on the N2K network and they were all "no network data" I realized I had an issue. Started disconnecting cables and then found the J2K100 very hot... unplugged it and the N2K network came back up??? Let it cool removed the J1939 plug from the gene and plugged it back into the N2K and same issue. So looks like I got a bad one. I will get it swapped out this week and get back to this next weekend. Thank you for all the info.

Al I am using all Raymarine GS165's running Lighthouse 3 and VV703.

On a good note my redundant install of the Onan panel went perfect and it is up and running

 

[ocgrant]

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Tom you are the man!!!

 

[ocgrant]

Now I just have to figure out what else I can display on this thing as it found all my N2K devices

 

[dtfeld]

Now I just have to figure out what else I can display on this thing as it found all my N2K devices

Looks great!!! make sure you back them up!!!

The one thing this does that a lot of other MFD/displays wont is Engine EGT.

I have a 4 quadrant screen dedicated to Engine EGT/Engine Boost on top and Transmission Pressure and Oil Temp below. Things Sea Ray didn't think important...

 

[ttmott]

Looks good!
Let the fun begin; there is a lot of data available especially if you have your network connected to the MFD's, Vessel View, and GPS.
There is also a cool anchor drag feature that I have replaced Drag Queen on my Ipad with.
Lastly, you might consider replacing the SR Monitor system as this will be far superior.
And lastly lastly consider adding Maretron alarm modules in the helm and solon.

 

[dtfeld]

Looks good!
Let the fun begin; there is a lot of data available especially if you have your network connected to the MFD's, Vessel View, and GPS.
There is also a cool anchor drag feature that I have replaced Drag Queen on my Ipad with.
Lastly, you might consider replacing the SR Monitor system as this will be far superior.
And lastly lastly consider adding Maretron alarm modules in the helm and solon.

Tom

Can you tell me how the anchor watch works? I was just looking at that...

 

[ttmott]

Here are some other functions I use the DSM for:
Water Depth and Temperature
Bilge Systems Monitoring and alarms
Generator shutdown fault alarms
Engine data (oil pressure, boost, coolant temp, RPM, Intake Temp, etc)
Anchor Drag
Fresh water tank level
Black water tank level
Battery voltages
GPS sat count and strengths
Rudder angle
Trim Tab Positions
Heading
SOG
Position
and others I can't remember now...

 

[ocgrant]

Show me and tell me more

Looks great!!! make sure you back them up!!!

The one thing this does that a lot of other MFD/displays wont is Engine EGT.

I have a 4 quadrant screen dedicated to Engine EGT/Engine Boost on top and Transmission Pressure and Oil Temp below. Things Sea Ray didn't think important...

Show me and tell me more? How do I set that up.

 

[ocgrant]

Looks good!
Let the fun begin; there is a lot of data available especially if you have your network connected to the MFD's, Vessel View, and GPS.
There is also a cool anchor drag feature that I have replaced Drag Queen on my Ipad with.
Lastly, you might consider replacing the SR Monitor system as this will be far superior.
And lastly lastly consider adding Maretron alarm modules in the helm and solon.

Yes, this was step one so I agree I want to head that way next just need to put together a list of materials needed. I know you have a post on this I need to look it up.

Tells us more about the anchor application.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Tom & Al thank you..
I got it all plugged in and started the DSM410 and went to discover device and found nothing... Looked at my Fusion remotes on the N2K network and they were all "no network data" I realized I had an issue. Started disconnecting cables and then found the J2K100 very hot... unplugged it and the N2K network came back up??? Let it cool removed the J1939 plug from the gene and plugged it back into the N2K and same issue. So looks like I got a bad one. I will get it swapped out this week and get back to this next weekend. Thank you for all the info.

Al I am using all Raymarine GS165's running Lighthouse 3 and VV703.

On a good note my redundant install of the Onan panel went perfect and it is up and running
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Grant,

Did you install both the NIM board and the Onan remote? Do they both fit behind the on gen control panel? We have the 9MDBKL with the remote panel you show above. When I looked at it earlier this week I had the impression the remote panel and n2k NIM board couldn’t fit in the same space.

The other question is whether the Maretron DSM 410 requires a Maretron engine gateway?