Life Jackets

Four Suns

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Oct 4, 2006
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Williamsburg, VA
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2003 480 DB
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I see someone posted a question in the Virtual Marinia on my boat asking why everyone is wearing life jackets when the "boat is so big"... Just so the comments section of my boat posting doesn't become a message board in itself, I thought I would address that here. So here's my response:

The boat is not "so big" to not wear life jackets. The boat is not "so big" that it will not sink (and sink fast). I have plenty of the inflatable life jackets for everyone to wear (for kids and adults as shown in the pictures) and the boat is frequently off shore out of sight of any land and I don't care how good of a swimmer a person is, a person probably couldn't swim 100 yards in the waves on the ocean or the bay. Saying that, even being able to see land should not give comfort to anyone. If someone falls off or the boat sinks and they are not wearing their life jacket, chances are, they will die. period.

So... there you have it... my boat... my rules... want to go out on my boat you put on a life jacket. I'll even let you drink beer on my boat, but you will be wearing a life jacket. Don't care if I'm on the river or the bay or the ocean. Chances are, you can't swim 100 feet in any body of water. If you complain about it, I'll make you wear a big ugly orange one instead of an inflatable one. I also carry a 6 person offshore life raft, a dinghy, an EPIRB, a ditch bag with supplies (water maker, flares, food, blankets, extra radio, batteries) just in case I drift around the North Atlantic a few days after the boat sinks...

When I see people 20 miles off shore not wearing a life jacket, they are STUPID! and when I see pictures of kids WAKE BOARDING without a life jacket... well... you get the point. Geez... just go drink a six pack and drive around some back country roads... probably safer. (that is sarcasm)

I tell a little story. I grew up boating on Lake Huron in a little town called East Tawas. My father had a cabin cruiser and they were nice enough to let me have a small day cruiser sailboat. One day out on Tawas Bay I was a few miles off shore and a wind storm came out of nowhere. You could see the wind change coming across the water and when it hit me, my boat almost capsized even letting the sails out most of the way. I thought my boat was "big enough" and my sole lifejacket was by my feet. The wind blew it, along with most everything else on deck, off the boat and it disappeared. I lowered the mainsail and using just the jib pointed the boat best I could towards Tawas Point and hit a sand bar that is inside the point but is a long way from shore. The wood drop down keel hit the sand bar so hard it cracked the fiberglass hull on the boat. I drug the boat into shore next to a lighthouse/coast guard station and sat on the beach and cried. I was 15 years old... I would not get on a boat for a year after that. A person that was on a Hobie Cat out there died after his boat capsized.

Want to go for boat ride with me? You will wear a life jacket.... Make my point?
 
Four Suns said:
When I see people 20 miles off shore not wearing a life jacket, they are STUPID! and when I see pictures of kids WAKE BOARDING without a life jacket... well... you get the point. Geez... just go drink a six pack and drive around some back country roads... probably safer. (that is sarcasm)

Want to go for boat ride with me? You will wear a life jacket.... Make my point?

You did make your .



I know that your are right.. only you make a reference to a photo with my son wake boarding without a life jacket where nehalennia also makes his point..
You again call me stupid...
So I know now very well...

Thanks.

Peter
 
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I called the people 20 miles off shore stupid... I avoided completing the sentence about your picture... :grin:

I just don't think people should ask why I make people wear PFD's on my boat... simple response should be "because".
 
It could be that "anonymous" is under the misconception that you don't need life jackets on a big boat. I find that most of the out of town guests we have on the boat, who are usually lake boaters from Tennessee, have the same impression, so I patiently explain the like jacket thing as I hand them the vest.
 
Four Suns said:
I called the people 20 miles off shore stupid... I avoided completing the sentence about your picture... :grin:

I just don't think people should ask why I make people wear PFD's on my boat... simple response should be "because".

The photo with my sun was on a very little canal, but anyway I think you are right even on a canal, I only hoped that not all the members revering to that stupid action :smt014

The future photo's are with PFD's... even in my car :grin:

Peter
 
Peter. I hope you think I wasn't calling you stupid, just calling attention to the PFD. I just would rather read about how much fun your son had than how difficult a time it is for you to enjoy boating again after losing him...... :smt089
With a PFD he'll still have a great time whether he's in a canal or bigger body of water; either one's deep enough to drown
 
In the interest of civility, I think we should retire the word stupid in these discussions.

Everyone agrees that there are conditions on any boat that require a PFD, but just because people disagree on those conditions doesn't always mean one of them is stupid. Risk is part of life and we all get to decide how much risk we should take. Given all the variables of weather, boat design, rescue opportunity and operator skills, I don't think there is a simple formula.

Obviously a boat owner has absolute right to force passengers to were PFDs as a condition of passage. That's a different case, the owner has decided they don't want to take the risk of someone being injured on their boat. Their boat their rules.
 
Four Suns said:
I just don't think people should ask why I make people wear PFD's on my boat... simple response should be "because".

I don't agree. You have knowledge to share. Someone asked the question, and you stated your case very well. For those who read it, it will be tucked away in their brain somewhere. It could save someone's life someday when they make a decision about whether or not to require people put on life jackets.

So I thank 'anonymous' for asking, and I thank you for answering.
 
Well lets take this a little further. Who here gives a quick "Captain's Instructions" prior to getting underway? What do you say to your guests / passengers / family?

I have a "Captain's Hat" rule. I share with everyone where the life jackets are and ask if anyone wants one and make sure no one under 16 is without one. I show them where the first aid kit is, fire extinguisher and get the gear stowed and them seated. Then I explain my hat rule. Its real simple. Captain's hat is on it's ok to move about the boat. Captain's hat comes of, sit down hold on and do not move about the boat.

It works for our sport boat. :thumbsup:
 
STIHLBOLTS said:
Well lets take this a little further. Who here gives a quick "Captain's Instructions" prior to getting underway? What do you say to your guests / passengers / family?

I have a "Captain's Hat" rule. I share with everyone where the life jackets are and ask if anyone wants one and make sure no one under 16 is without one. I show them where the first aid kit is, fire extinguisher and get the gear stowed and them seated. Then I explain my hat rule. Its real simple. Captain's hat is on it's ok to move about the boat. Captain's hat comes of, sit down hold on and do not move about the boat.

It works for our sport boat. :thumbsup:

He Rich,

Do you have a photo with your hat on?

Then we can all decide if we want to listen to you. :smt043 :smt043

Peter
 
Peter, is it legal to do any sporting in the water such as wake boarding, water skiing, knee boarding etc etc etc w/out a PFD, where you live?

In the U.S. it is FEDERAL LAW to wear one while doing just that.

I'm just curious. I'm not calling anyone stupid on that. I know what a pain in the rear end it is to wear one but the law is the law and it does save lives.
 
Freebyrdjason said:
Peter, is it legal to do any sporting in the water such as wake boarding, water skiing, knee boarding etc etc etc w/out a PFD, where you live?

In the U.S. it is FEDERAL LAW to wear one while doing just that.

I'm just curious. I'm not calling anyone stupid on that. I know what a pain in the rear end it is to wear one but the law is the law and it does save lives.

Hello Jason,

It is not legal to do any sporting in the water such as wake boarding, water skiing, knee boarding etc etc etc w/out a PFD.

When you are on a fast boat it is not always required.

Peter
 
When you are on a fast boat it is not always required.

Just what about being on a fast boat makes it not a requirement or not illegal to do so? :smt017 Your comment is contradictory. :smt018
 
STIHLBOLTS said:
When you are on a fast boat it is not always required.

Just what about being on a fast boat makes it not a requirement or not illegal to do so? :smt017 Your comment is contradictory. :smt018

Sorry if it's not clear...

When you are skiing, wakeboarding etc etc you always need PFD and also the driver of the boat and his/her passengers.

When you are just riding fast with your boat, than when you have an open boat it's required to wear PFD, on cabin boats it's not required.

I think this is strange but that is how the law is.

Peter.
 
I've seen several people accidentally fall in the river this season without life jackets, often after having consumed a few drinks. My wife and I + kids wear PFDs when underway. When docked, kids wear life jackets at all times except when in the cabin. I allowed guests twice this season to boat without PFDs, but it worried me the whole trip. I think having a few more of the inflatable style PFDs will make it easier to encourage friends to strap one on.
 
My kids are usually in the cabin when im underway. Without exception, they wear PFDs when on deck. Im starting to wonder if them NOT wearing PFDs in the cabin is a practice i should rethink. Our river is almost all no-wake so i usually dont wear or require adults to wear them. When we get to the sound, i require them for everyone. I guess you really cant ever be too safe...
 
thunderbird1 said:
I've seen several people accidentally fall in the river this season without life jackets, often after having consumed a few drinks.
Maybe they should make them with drink holders too :thumbsup: that way it may encourage people to wear them as an accessory.... :cool:
 
I'm with you on the safety thing, but how many people wear their seatbelts on the road when they are required by law to be worn. PFD's are only required to be on board. :huh:

It's like the old saying... "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

BTW, I wear my seatbelt but not a PFD and probably should.
 
I also think that the newer types of life jackets are not stupid or uncomfortable to wear.
 
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