Is it just me?

FireIsland1

FireIsland1

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I called a local Yamaha dealer and asked if they have a 2.5hp outboard in stock. They said yes they have 8 in stock. their price was 75.00 higher then internet. I decided to buy from them and pay the extra cash so i would have a place to go back for service and parts. I took off some time from work got the cash and went to the marina. I asked if i could purchase the outboard. Their responce was " well you just cant buy it, we have to prep the engine and test run it". Ok I said let's see the engine so I could see how easy it was to carry and to store. I"ll pay in full and pick it up tomorrow. I want it for the weekend. Here is where things get weird. The owned comes out after hearing the conversation and says " you have to pay for it first before we will open the box". I looked around to see if I was on a reality show. You mean I have to pay in full before I can see and feel what I am buying? Yes he said. And started to explain we just can't open the box suppose you don't want it, we would have an open box. This is a leading dealer for yamaha located in the town of Babylon Long Island. Very confused i left the store cash still in hand.
I went back to my office and scratched my head.
I then called a Yamaha dealer in Island Park . i told him what i wanted. He said we have it in stock. I offered to give him a credit card as a deposit He said no , just come down and we will have it out and ready for you. They did, and I bought it. End of story. Buy the way they were 46.00 cheaper.
Is it just me?
 
The 1st dealer just needs a " gone fishin' " sign and he'll be in fine shape.
 
I had the similar experience. I upgraded to from a 6 hp 4 stroke to an 8 HP 2 stroke. Found a dealer up north that had a bunch of 07's left, Called them and they wanted $ 600 more than the list, at that time, and would not sell to me unless i bought a Dink from them. ???? 8 in stock and he wont sell me one without a boat??? From 2007?? Well i searched the internet and could not find one local as Yamaha doesnt allow them to ship. Went back to him and got him to sell me one, paid the $ 600 premium. It is an awesome motor though, i can pull kids on a tube with this set up. Must be a Yami thing.
 
Well I know which dealers both Fire Island and Rocket are talking about, though I had a slightly different experience than Fire Island. I did get the same response as Rocket from the other dealer about buying just an engine. In early June the Yami dealer in Babylon had 4 leftover 2009 15hp 2 strokes and took a $100 deposit at 9 a.m. on a Saturday morning and told me they needed a few hours to prep the motor. I picked it up at 4 that afternoon and paid the balance by credit card. They even put the engine in my trunk. They were about the same price as any other I could find. A friend went thorugh the same process two weeks later. Dunno why there'd be a difference in th same dealers approach. Two buyers, two very different experiences.
 
This may be the difference. If the dealer owns the engine, or what ever, then opening it up and prepping is no problem. If the engine, or what ever, is owned by the product company, i.e. Yamaha Corp, then when the dealer open and preps he commits to buying and floor planning the thing from the manufacturer.

Many manufacturers will keep MMI or managed machine inventory, or what ever the manufacturer may call it, in the dealership at no cost to the dealership. It is there as a corporate promotion to the dealer so the dealer doesn't pay shipping and floor plan cost and that savings should pass on to you.
 
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I think it has more to do with the dealers ability to sell it off or trade merchandise with other dealers. Our dealer will not take open boxes from other dealers unless they have an existing relationship with them.
 
my dealer owned these motors and his pitch was that he would have an edge over the other dealers to sell the 2 stroke with a dinghy. There are 2 excellent and competitve dealers in my area. I get his point and was happy that he sold me one. Even though i paid a premium he earned a customer. Plus he took my old 4 stroke off my hands on a trade.
 
What American company makes outboards? Johnson/Evinrude is now Canadian (Bombadier) and I think Merc is a rebadged Japanese brand (Tohatsu).
 
rondds-this is some of the info=
Mercury Marine, founded in 1939, is a division of Brunswick Corporation of Lake Forest, Illinois, in the United States. Mercury provides engines for private, commercial and government sales. Mercury even has its own line of racing engines with less fuel efficiency and more focus at power and speed. The company's primary business is outboard motors. Mercury Outboards, 30 Hp and less, are made by Tohatsu in Japan. Mercury also manufactures some larger size engines in China. Mercury also manufactures engines over 100 hp in their Fond du Lac hub. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Mercury product brands include Mercury, Mercury Racing, MerCruiser, and Mariner outboards (sold outside the U.S.). Outboard sizes range from 2.5 horsepower (1.9 kW) to 300 horsepower (220 kW). MerCruiser sterndrives and inboards range from 100 to 450 horsepower (340 kW) and Mercury Racing outboards produce up to 350 horsepower (260 kW) and sterndrives to 1,200 horsepower (890 kW). Subsidiaries include Mercury Precision Parts and Accessories as well as Mercury propellers and Mercury Jet Drives. In the U.S. Mercury outboards, from 30 hp and below are rebadged Tohatsus.

This is a 2007, 3.5 horse power Mercury engine.


Mercury has recently developed a processor enhanced line of outboards called the "Verado" outboard engine [8]. The "Verado" system integrates the outboard into an entire system, including "fly-by-wire" steering and advanced diagnostics.

This is a 2008, 250 horse power, Mercury ProXS series engine.


In 2007 Mercury Marine began selling its Zeus drive system [9]. Developed by Mercury and its joint venture company Cummins MerCruiser Diesel (CMD), the Zeus drive is a dual engine pod drive system. Some of the most notable benefits from this class design for boaters will be enhanced helm control. While underway an automated trim control feature simplifies operation. Also, Zeus includes Skyhook Electronic AnchorTM which will keep a vessel on a fixed heading within a tight range. The system might be called all weather as it will keep a heading in strong currents and winds.
Mercury Marine is the one of the world’s leading providers of marine propulsion. As $2.3 billion division of Brunswick Corporation, Mercury and its 6,200 employees worldwide provide engines, boats, services and parts for recreational, commercial and government marine applications.
Mercury’s brand portfolio includes Mercury and Mariner, Mercury MerCruiser sterndrives and inboard engines, MotorGuide trolling motors, Mercury and Teignbridge propellers, Mercury inflatable boats, Mercury SmartCraft electronics, and Mercury and Quicksilver parts and oils. MotoTron electronic controls was also a part of Mercury Marine, but as of October 2008 Brunswick Corp. sold MotoTron and its intellectual properties to Woodward Governor of Fort Collins, CO. [2]
SeaCore is a brand of sterndrive marine propulsion systems manufactured in the United States by MerCruiser. The SeaCore engine design utilizes materials, technologies, and systems, created specifically for Mercury Marine, to prevent galvanic corrosion within its engine, transom and drive. SeaCore propulsion includes models generating between 220 and 425 horsepower (317 kW). SeaCore is designed for a wide variety of vessels operated in or moored on saltwater.

steven
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Thanks rusobr2 - but I ask again, what American company makes its own small outboard (not a rebadged foreign brand)?
 
rondds said:
Thanks rusobr2 - but I ask again, what American company makes its own small outboard (not a rebadged foreign brand)?
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You're absolutely right, Ron, about the Tohatsu thing. I'm not positive, but I thought it even included a few models between 30 and 40, but nonetheless, they are made by Tohatsu.

Rusobr2 - thanks, that was an interesting read.

Fire: I get what you're saying - I think most of us have probably been in a situation like that... confusing, to say the least! :smt101:smt001
 
So, what is the better outboard for an inflatable, a 2-stroke or a 4-stroke? :huh:
 
2 strokes are no longer made, as of 2008 or was it 2007. You can find a leftover or buy used. They are not banned - they are grandfathered in.

Two strokes are lighter and you can lay them down any which way b/c there's no oil reservoir. If it were me, I'd look for a 2 stroke but they are hard to find.
 
Fire Island,
Been there did that. I walk out of the baylon store cash in hand ( and it is 5 mim. from my house. Went to Island Park and came home with a moter for my dink. Grate people in Island Park.
Bruceny AJ29
 
FireIsland1 said:
The owned comes out after hearing the conversation and says " you have to pay for it first before we will open the box".
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Just a hunch here, but my guess this dealer may have the motors in stock, on consignment. If he doesn't sell them, he can exchange them for equal $$ in other merchandise. If the box is opened, it is nonreturnable. Regardless, I would think he'd want one on display to avoid this kind of scene...his end result was no sale and a potential customer walking out the door with his cash.....dumb.
 
2 Strokes outlawed???? Check out the Evinrude E-Series:

"Three stars from the toughest emission standard in the world – the California Air Resources Board. Plus, we’re the only outboard to win the EPA Clean Air Excellence Award. No other brand of outboards produces fewer reportable emissions that the Evinrude E-TEC family of engines."

http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/Engines/ETEC_V4

I've been looking at one of these to replace an old Merc 135 that I have.
 
2 Strokes outlawed???? Check out the Evinrude E-Seri
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I was wondering the same thing. I think it's only the smaller ones that are outlawed. Not sure what the cut-off HP is.
 
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