How to properly park, your trailered Bayliner.
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MonacoMike
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Ditto. It is sad to see GM fail and become Government corrupt Motors. Did you hear the one about how they paid off TARP loans on time and at a profit for the feds? ...paid back with other government loans. I still feel bad for the pension funds that had liens on GM that were brushed away in favor of unsecured creditors that were well connected politically. All this makes it hard to buy a new GcM.
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Written by a "True American". :smt038
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Let's go to Baja and race. I bet I can beat your chevy, and I have ZERO mods!
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We could get the pilots together on the board and do an Airbus vs. Boeing when we finish the Ford vs. Chevy thing....
Oh, and always remember:
"Never pick a fight with a man who owns a Chrysler product; because he's mad already".
Honey, start the popcorn...
Oh, and always remember:
"Never pick a fight with a man who owns a Chrysler product; because he's mad already".
Honey, start the popcorn...
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Ok - that's just funny! I've had nothing but good luck from my various Ford trucks. 3 Explorers, 1 F150, 3 Expeditions and now an Excursion. That being said - I do like the various GM and Chrysler products which come into my shop - they almost always need repairs which of course I'm happy to assist with.....:smt038
Gofirstclass
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This is not going to make me "Mr Popular" but you guys sound like a bunch of whining babies when you gripe about Bayliners. I've never owned one, so I don't have a dog in that hunt, but I've been aboard many and chartered a 4588MY once.
Bayliners aren't a Cobalt or Chapparel or even a Sundancer. They aren't designed to compete against those brands. The smaller models (22' and under) are designed to get a lot of people into boating who otherwide might not be able to because of the of the high prices of the other brands. IMHO they have been very successful at doing that.
In their small cruiser line (24'-30') they do much the same thing. They let a lot of people own cruisers who don't have the ka-ching to spend $100K+ on a boat. Many people in their 30's and 40's are putting kids through school and don't want a ton of debt, yet want to go boating as a family. Bayliner affords them that opportunity.
When you all put on your snob attitudes and downgrade what someone else owns and takes pride in, you're simply trying to make yourselves feel better at the Bayliner owner's expense. It's fine to say you prefer one brand over another, but when you start labeling another man's treasure as "junk", you're just being rude.
That's not very becoming to each of you individually nor to this group that's supposed to be interested in making boating a better family sport.
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Bayliners aren't a Cobalt or Chapparel or even a Sundancer. They aren't designed to compete against those brands. The smaller models (22' and under) are designed to get a lot of people into boating who otherwide might not be able to because of the of the high prices of the other brands. IMHO they have been very successful at doing that.
In their small cruiser line (24'-30') they do much the same thing. They let a lot of people own cruisers who don't have the ka-ching to spend $100K+ on a boat. Many people in their 30's and 40's are putting kids through school and don't want a ton of debt, yet want to go boating as a family. Bayliner affords them that opportunity.
When you all put on your snob attitudes and downgrade what someone else owns and takes pride in, you're simply trying to make yourselves feel better at the Bayliner owner's expense. It's fine to say you prefer one brand over another, but when you start labeling another man's treasure as "junk", you're just being rude.
That's not very becoming to each of you individually nor to this group that's supposed to be interested in making boating a better family sport.
$.02
Okay, I've been messin' witchyall. I too, have owned GM, Ford, BMW, Porsche and had good luck with all. But I feel cars, like boats, give back what you give them. Sure, every company lets a lemon slip out the door now and then but for the most part, if you take care of what you got it will take care of you.
My Ford that I drive now would have been a Tahoe if the Chevy dealer could have beat Ford's deal.
When I sell our Sea Ray my wife and I want a pilothouse next. When I look at what I can afford, the Bayliner looks to be what we will get. Some look like crap and some are pretty nice and obviously well cared for.
So the cool thing about all of this is we all have opinions and live where its OK to express them.
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Ok i still remember when ford devalued its stocks and ripped off the stockholders bigtime ,so they put the extras aside to save for a rainy day which was about three years ago .Good idea but poor execution where the stockholders, a lot of which were workers for ford motor company got screwed .Since gm has repaid most of the govt. loan mabey ford should have loaned them the dough instead of us especially since we arent getting the interest paid back to us on the loan obama made with our money.
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They are not even close to paying back the money! Here is an excerpt from Forbes.
"Uncle Sam gave GM $49.5 billion last summer in aid to finance its bankruptcy. (If it hadn’t, the company, which couldn’t raise this kind of money from private lenders, would have been forced into liquidation, its assets sold for scrap.) So when Mr. Whitacre publishes a column with the headline, “The GM Bailout: Paid Back in Full,” most ordinary mortals unfamiliar with bailout minutia would assume that he is alluding to the entire $49.5 billion. That, however, is far from the case.
Because a loan of such a huge amount would have been politically controversial, the Obama administration handed GM only $6.7 billion as a pure loan. (It asked for only a 7% interest rate–a very sweet deal considering that GM bonds at that time were trading below junk level.) The vast bulk of the bailout money was transferred to GM through the purchase of 60.8% equity stake in the company–arguably an even worse deal for taxpayers than the loan, given that the equity position requires them to bear the risk of the investment without any guaranteed return. (The Canadian government likewise gave GM $1.4 billion as a pure loan, and another $8.1 billion for an 11.7% equity stake. The U.S. and Canadian government together own 72.5% of the company.)
But when Mr. Whitacre says GM has paid back the bailout money in full, he means not the entire $49.5 billion–the loan and the equity. In fact, he avoids all mention of that figure in his column. He means only the $6.7 billion loan amount.
But wait! Even that’s not the full story given that GM, which has not yet broken even, much less turned a profit, can’t pay even this puny amount from its own earnings.
So how is it paying it?
As it turns out, the Obama administration put $13.4 billion of the aid money as “working capital” in an escrow account when the company was in bankruptcy. The company is using this escrow money–government money–to pay back the government loan.
GM claims that the fact that it is even using the escrow money to pay back the loan instead of using it all to shore itself up shows that it is on the road to recovery. That actually would be a positive development–although hardly one worth hyping in ads and columns–if it were not for a further plot twist.
Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research, points out that the company has applied to the Department of Energy for $10 billion in low (5%) interest loan to retool its plants to meet the government’s tougher new CAFÉ (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. However, giving GM more taxpayer money on top of the existing bailout would have been a political disaster for the Obama administration and a PR debacle for the company. Paying back the small bailout loan makes the new–and bigger–DOE loan much more feasible."
"Uncle Sam gave GM $49.5 billion last summer in aid to finance its bankruptcy. (If it hadn’t, the company, which couldn’t raise this kind of money from private lenders, would have been forced into liquidation, its assets sold for scrap.) So when Mr. Whitacre publishes a column with the headline, “The GM Bailout: Paid Back in Full,” most ordinary mortals unfamiliar with bailout minutia would assume that he is alluding to the entire $49.5 billion. That, however, is far from the case.
Because a loan of such a huge amount would have been politically controversial, the Obama administration handed GM only $6.7 billion as a pure loan. (It asked for only a 7% interest rate–a very sweet deal considering that GM bonds at that time were trading below junk level.) The vast bulk of the bailout money was transferred to GM through the purchase of 60.8% equity stake in the company–arguably an even worse deal for taxpayers than the loan, given that the equity position requires them to bear the risk of the investment without any guaranteed return. (The Canadian government likewise gave GM $1.4 billion as a pure loan, and another $8.1 billion for an 11.7% equity stake. The U.S. and Canadian government together own 72.5% of the company.)
But when Mr. Whitacre says GM has paid back the bailout money in full, he means not the entire $49.5 billion–the loan and the equity. In fact, he avoids all mention of that figure in his column. He means only the $6.7 billion loan amount.
But wait! Even that’s not the full story given that GM, which has not yet broken even, much less turned a profit, can’t pay even this puny amount from its own earnings.
So how is it paying it?
As it turns out, the Obama administration put $13.4 billion of the aid money as “working capital” in an escrow account when the company was in bankruptcy. The company is using this escrow money–government money–to pay back the government loan.
GM claims that the fact that it is even using the escrow money to pay back the loan instead of using it all to shore itself up shows that it is on the road to recovery. That actually would be a positive development–although hardly one worth hyping in ads and columns–if it were not for a further plot twist.
Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research, points out that the company has applied to the Department of Energy for $10 billion in low (5%) interest loan to retool its plants to meet the government’s tougher new CAFÉ (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. However, giving GM more taxpayer money on top of the existing bailout would have been a political disaster for the Obama administration and a PR debacle for the company. Paying back the small bailout loan makes the new–and bigger–DOE loan much more feasible."
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If you went over on the Bayliner site they would bust your balls just like what we are doing to them. :smt001
I call them BayHoles and they call us SeaHoles
They would help us out & We would help them out if needed. :thumbsup:
No harm No foul its all in fun. :smt001.
I call them BayHoles and they call us SeaHoles
They would help us out & We would help them out if needed. :thumbsup:
No harm No foul its all in fun. :smt001.
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What does chicken have to do with it?
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Damn spelling checker. :smt021 . :grin: . :smt001
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Doo-da...doo-da.....:smt101
"My boat is better than yours"
"My religion is better than yours"
"My political party is better than yours"
"My stance on abortion is better than yours"
Doo-da...doo-da.....:smt101
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44 post and no little guy peeing on a logo! I'm so disappointed.
