HELP - 7.4L Won't IDLE - Need Ideas Running out of Time

Searaybio270

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Jul 8, 2010
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Bush River on the Cheasapeake Bay
Boat Info
1996 EC, Garmin 3210, Dinghy - Seadoo Jet boat with twin 85 horse. Fun and Fast.
Engines
7.4 MC 360 HP each
Westerbeke 7KW
Before i start I have posted this in two other areas. Here and in the 410Sundancer/400EC Official Thread. No input yet but I am running out of time and need some suggestions

So, here's the story...........

In June I started both engines while still on land. No problems with either one. A few days later I launch the boat. Starboard engine starts and purrs like a kitten. I am very happy. Port engine - having trouble starting. Finally starts but it is very erradic. After a while it does settle down and I slowly move her to the slip.
Run it for a while in the slip and she appears to be settling down. So I shut both down. Do some work and then head off to help the others at the marina for clean up day. Later in the day I come back and I try to start the port engine - "Hydro Lock". A week later on one engine I am off to see the mechanic at the marina up the river.
They do some tests and find that the engine is in bad shape. I say how since I just had it rebuilt two years ago. They pull the engine and off to the shop for a rebuild.
Now some 8 weeks later the engine is back together. They tell me that at 1500 and 1800 and 2500 RPMs she is spot on. The issue is when she comes down to idle - it surges back up and then back down.
They have checked the IAC, MAF, mechanical fuel pump and the other one, some sensors and sprayed it to see if maybe there is a vaccum leak. I do believe the Mercruiser rep will be there but in the meantime - Any Ideas.
Haven't boated yet this summer and I will spend more money on another engine then I care to and haven't been anyplace.

then this: 8/22/14

So, Friday afternoon of the above date, I stop by the marina and they tell me the IAC wasn't working so they replaced it and she ran fine. they also said they would clean her up and I could take it on Sat afternoon or Sunday. I opted for Sunday b/c of the high tide.
On Sunday I go to the marina to find they hadn't cleaned the boat. So I take the next 5 hours and clean the cockpit area and I mean wall to wall. Then the stuff they threw into the cabin had to be removed, cleaned or thrown away. Redid all the glass in and out, cleaned the stern and the bow of the boat.
So, now I am pretty close to leaving and start the engines. The port (new engine) is idling around 1500RPMs but after a minute settles down to idle range and sounds great. Start the Starboard and she goes right into a perfect idle. So I go and undo the power cords and then the lines and pull away. And I am very happy to have my boat back. Until.......
I am not even out of this very small marina and the port engine starts surging and won't stop. Back to the slip it goes and still no boat. Waiting on a call from the marina to let me know if they figured it out. I am so disappointed. Nine weeks in the shop and still not working.

Then this: 8/26/14

So, as of this date the engine still won't idle once it warms up. The have put the computer on it and there are no faults. None. Nada. Nothing. They have replaced parts they thought might be doing it but nothing. They called the regional Mercruiser Rep but he is in Washington State on vacation. I hope he gets back ok as he must be the only contact they have. What is up with that?
So I call Mercruiser in Wisconsin. They ask if they did a fuel pressure test. Yes they did. All ok. Ignition componets are good. Yes. IAC and MAF all good. Fuel Pump is good. No vaccum issues. Nothing. Maybe lack of beer in the cooler is why? Hmm....

Now this:
I went to the Marina last night and they have no idea. There are ZERO faults and everything they send to Mercruiser is ok according to Mercruiser. I even asked about the fuel pressure - Nope it's good.

Today 8/28/14 they replaced the idle sensor - waiting to hear from them.

So here I am boatless all summer and very tired of shelling out $1000's for nothing.
Ok guys - Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

 
Sounds like you didn't need the "rebuild" to begin with (especially since it was done 2 years prior) and they're just throwing parts at it....isn't there anyone there that can diagnose a Mercruiser?

sorry for your issues...here's to better solutions in the future


are they carbed motors?
 
2nd chance - Which happens to be the name of my boat - Second Chance!

I am begining to wonder about the rebuild as well. They are a certified Mercruiser marina/shop. Not carbs. Electronic.
 
did you switch the ignition control module (or ECM if you have one) with the one from the good engine?........just wondering if the ignition control module is bad it may be changing the ignition timing up and down which could cause the engine to surge......

cliff
 
Cliff,
They did do that no change. At 1500RPM and up she is spot on.

did you switch the ignition control module (or ECM if you have one) with the one from the good engine?........just wondering if the ignition control module is bad it may be changing the ignition timing up and down which could cause the engine to surge......

cliff
 
That could be - I don't remember reading that.

Just got a call - they think the wiring harness from being removed and put back on may not be connected properly so they are redoing it.
 
Do they have the engine diagnostic equipment for your engine? This is not a complicated problem if they have the right diagnostic equipment. The easiest thing to do is plug in and profile the good engine, then plug in and profile the bad engine. If they have two displays, they can watch them side by side and usually you will see a problem with the readings on the MAF, IAC, injectors, timing etc. I would not swap ECUs at this point.....there is another thread where that process went terribly wrong.

Your mechanics should have a tool like this: http://www.rinda.com/marine/mtspec.htm

I'm also troubled by your storyline that starts with a hydrolocked engine. How did that happen? That usually happens as a result of water intrusion but on rare occasions a bad injector can flow enough fuel to lock an engine. Can you post the engine serial number?

John
 
Wasn't this idea just discussed at great length a month ago, and it was discovered to be a very bad diagnostic method?

very possible....i don't read all of the posts so maybe i missed this one....

not to hijack the thread but why is this not a good diagnostic tool to use?....maybe someone could send me a PM and explain why or give me a link to the thread.....always willing to learn something new....

cliff
 
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very possible....i don't read all of the posts so maybe i missed this one....

not to hijack the thread but why is this not a good diagnostic tool to use?....maybe someone could send me a PM and explain why or give me a link to the thread.....always willing to learn something new....

cliff

A problem with the harness can fry the ECU. Then when you swap it with a good one....you fry it as well. However, it is perfectly acceptable to take the suspect ECU and put it on the "good" engine. If it works, you have eliminated the ECU as a potential problem. I have never seen an ECU fry an engine....it is always the other way around.


John
 
Hydro-lock was water intrusion. How I don't know since it ran good on land.
Anyway, I did get the boat back yesterday from the marina. It appears to be running rather well. Plan to test it some more today.
Now to get the final bill from the marina and then send them a letter about how disappointed I am in there service.
In nine weeks I received 4 calls from them. Almost daily I went to the marina to check on the boat and status. More often then not I found the back canvas off, greasy hand prints all over the seats, window open, cabin door unlocked, electricity off, a crack in the isenglass and about a three to four foot scratch in the side of the boat. The scratch looks like an electric wire brush hit it. The mechanic tried to tell me that was there. I told him no way. Last Friday they told me that I could pick up the boat on Saturday. I opted for Sunday due to the low tide on Saturday and they were going to clean the boat Saturday morning. I spent 5 hours cleaning the cabin and outside of the boat only to find out that the boat wasn't working. I spent another three hours yesterday redoing what I did the other day as they left it a mess again.
I would love to own a shop and put them all out of business.
 
Here's hoping they got it this time......there's absolutely NO excuse for the way they've treated you....if I'm not mistaken you've easily spent 10 or 12 hours cleaning up their messes....on top of their absolute ineptness in repairing your boat....I'd be livid and prepared to do my best to make their world miserable.


idiots
 
A problem with the harness can fry the ECU. Then when you swap it with a good one....you fry it as well. However, it is perfectly acceptable to take the suspect ECU and put it on the "good" engine. If it works, you have eliminated the ECU as a potential problem. I have never seen an ECU fry an engine....it is always the other way around.


John

John, you are stop on. The bad ECU/ECM will not hurt the good engine or sensors. You can install a good sensor where a bad one is thought to be and not hurt the ECU/ECM though.
 

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