Guns in Canada

Creekwood said:
You Americans do have a constitutional right to own guns. That’s a fact. You also have much more gun violence and accidental deaths than any other non third world country. That’s also a fact. They are connected facts, not random coincidences, but it’s your right and your country.

You also all feel you “need” guns to defend yourselves from others that have guns. Those of us living in Canada, Australia, the UK, Japan and most of Europe don’t have that fear. That’s also not a coincidence.

I have a Canadian firearms licence and a restricted firearm licence (to own grandfathered handguns). I own guns for hunting and pleasure shooting. Not for self defence. I don’t fear gun violence and neither do most law abiding Canadians. I wish I could have access to the guns you have, but for fun, not for defence. I know many of you don’t feel that sense of security.

And Trudeau needs to go. And he will.
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Not on a per capita basis do we have more gun violence. And those statistics are skewed anyway. As to what I have bolded:
Our founders felt we had the need for guns to protect ourselves from THE GOVERNMENT. Sorry you don't have that option.
 
Creekwood said:
You Americans do have a constitutional right to own guns. That’s a fact. You also have much more gun violence and accidental deaths than any other non third world country. That’s also a fact. They are connected facts, not random coincidences, but it’s your right and your country.

You also all feel you “need” guns to defend yourselves from others that have guns. Those of us living in Canada, Australia, the UK, Japan and most of Europe don’t have that fear. That’s also not a coincidence.

I have a Canadian firearms licence and a restricted firearm licence (to own grandfathered handguns). I own guns for hunting and pleasure shooting. Not for self defence. I don’t fear gun violence and neither do most law abiding Canadians. I wish I could have access to the guns you have, but for fun, not for defence. I know many of you don’t feel that sense of security.

And Trudeau needs to go. And he will.
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Pretty much ditto what Sky said. I don't need guns to protect myself from others. I need it to protect myself from a tyrannical government. And I don't fear gun violence, at least in my neighborhood. I do take extra diligence when I go into the city -- and guess what, not one of those criminals has a permit or registered their "assault" weapons.

Now why do I have guns? The primary reason is because they told me I can't have them. I shot when I was very young. Skipped many years while the kid was growing up. Then as soon as the left started with their "weapons of war" bull chit I decided I was going to collect real weapons of war - 1911, M1 carbines, etc. Still working on that collection, but in the meantime got myself some things to shoot at the local range.

How anyone can live without liberty and freedom boggles my mind.
 
highslice said:
Not on a per capita basis do we have more gun violence. And those statistics are skewed anyway. As to what I have bolded:
Our founders felt we had the need for guns to protect ourselves from THE GOVERNMENT. Sorry you don't have that option.
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Compared to developed countries the US has vastly more deaths per capita. Even compared to all countries you are one of the highest. Not sure where you get your info from but there are lots of data sources and they all give the same result. But it’s your constitutional right. That’s fine. You don’t need o skew stats to justify it. It’s your right.

I don’t feel that we need guns to protect ourselves from our government. I vote and I trust our democracy and democratic system. I may not like what the majority has voted in but I don’t need guns to fight the government. Maybe to defend from another government or country like Israel needs to do, but not our own. Again, your experience and needs are clearly different.
 
Creekwood said:
Compared to developed countries the US has vastly more deaths per capita. Even compared to all countries you are one of the highest. Not sure where you get your info from but there are lots of data sources and they all give the same result. But it’s your constitutional right. That’s fine. You don’t need o skew stats to justify it. It’s your right.

I don’t feel that we need guns to protect ourselves from our government. I vote and I trust our democracy and democratic system. I may not like what the majority has voted in but I don’t need guns to fight the government. Maybe to defend from another government or country like Israel needs to do, but not our own. Again, your experience and needs are clearly different.
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That’s why your government gets away with the chit they do. There is no “check and balance“ from the people. You give up liberty for the illusion of safety. Good luck.
 
Creekwood said:
Compared to developed countries the US has vastly more deaths per capita. Even compared to all countries you are one of the highest. Not sure where you get your info from but there are lots of data sources and they all give the same result. But it’s your constitutional right. That’s fine. You don’t need o skew stats to justify it. It’s your right.

I don’t feel that we need guns to protect ourselves from our government. I vote and I trust our democracy and democratic system. I may not like what the majority has voted in but I don’t need guns to fight the government. Maybe to defend from another government or country like Israel needs to do, but not our own. Again, your experience and needs are clearly different.
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I'm not sure if NPR is considered a reliable source, but I'm not sure "28th highest" would qualify us as "one of the highest"? Of course this is the internet, this is no place to allow facts and data to get in the way of a good debate :)

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This one allegedly comes from the UN, linked via Wiki:

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List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

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Golfman25 said:
That’s why your government gets away with the chit they do. There is no “check and balance“ from the people. You give up liberty for the illusion of safety. Good luck.
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Let's also face facts. If not for our second amendment, I am not sure the rest of the world would be safe. If the USA fell to tyranny. The world would soon fall. We may not have the best foreign policies all the time. But we are the last real defense against regimes slaughtering people.
 
Creekwood said:
You Americans do have a constitutional right to own guns. That’s a fact. You also have much more gun violence and accidental deaths than any other non third world country. That’s also a fact. They are connected facts, not random coincidences, but it’s your right and your country.

You also all feel you “need” guns to defend yourselves from others that have guns. Those of us living in Canada, Australia, the UK, Japan and most of Europe don’t have that fear. That’s also not a coincidence.

I have a Canadian firearms licence and a restricted firearm licence (to own grandfathered handguns). I own guns for hunting and pleasure shooting. Not for self defence. I don’t fear gun violence and neither do most law abiding Canadians. I wish I could have access to the guns you have, but for fun, not for defence. I know many of you don’t feel that sense of security.

And Trudeau needs to go. And he will.
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Keep speaking truth to idiocy.
 
highslice said:
Not on a per capita basis do we have more gun violence. And those statistics are skewed anyway. As to what I have bolded:
Our founders felt we had the need for guns to protect ourselves from THE GOVERNMENT. Sorry you don't have that option.
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In a democracy, you are the government. Really need to think that through. .
 
For right now, and hopefully forever, gun ownership is a right. If we want to get back to “normal”, maybe we should look at what’s causing guns to be everywhere.
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Kind of looks like fear of extreme left policies both real and imagined, followed by policy of looking the other way when protest violence escalated and growing fears of defund the police cry’s were being heard, and now 3 straight years of skyrocketing gun sales to people who would otherwise not have purchased because of asinine unconstitutional “executive power” legislation by left politicians pandering to the ill informed voters who will re-elect them before SCOTUS throws these laws in the trash.
Maybe a more moderate approach would bring back a little sanity.
 
Mauler34Rod said:
Yep and Prickster, that “Fat a$$” just signed his 18th 30 day migrant disaster proclamation. Illinois has been under some form of a gubernatorial disaster proclamation for most of the past four years, giving the Pritzker administration sweeping emergency powers to spend taxpayer dollars.
This crap needs to stop.
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And then - you have the Chi-town mayor. What a piece of work that guy is.
 
my3sons said:
... Kind of looks like fear of extreme left policies both real and imagined, followed by policy of looking the other way when protest violence escalated and growing fears of defund the police cry’s were being heard, and now 3 straight years of skyrocketing gun sales to people who would otherwise not have purchased because of asinine unconstitutional “executive power” legislation by left politicians pandering to the ill informed voters who will re-elect them before SCOTUS throws these laws in the trash.
Maybe a more moderate approach would bring back a little sanity.
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This^^^

Sanity has been out the window for years now and the "Need" as @Creekwood stated is real for some in this conversation. Meaning since the current administration allowed the BLM riots to happen and did nothing to stop them, is cause enough for every household to have a small armory.

Let's face it the Second Amendment is from a time when a militia took over and created this country. They wanted to make sure what they fought for never happened again.

We live in a time where that could never happen again. No matter how strong the "militia" got, fighting the US military is an impossibility. Democracy? That is not what we live in now. We the people can not change a dam thing even if we try. We have to hope that are elected officials will do what they say and what needs to be done. Ha - we're just along for the ride and we don't even have brakes.
 
Skybolt said:
This^^^

Sanity has been out the window for years now and the "Need" as @Creekwood stated is real for some in this conversation. Meaning since the current administration allowed the BLM riots to happen and did nothing to stop them, is cause enough for every household to have a small armory.

Let's face it the Second Amendment is from a time when a militia took over and created this country. They wanted to make sure what they fought for never happened again.

We live in a time where that could never happen again. No matter how strong the "militia" got, fighting the US military is an impossibility. Democracy? That is not what we live in now. We the people can not change a dam thing even if we try. We have to hope that are elected officials will do what they say and what needs to be done. Ha - we're just along for the ride and we don't even have brakes.
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I would have to disagree. Most of the military are still Americans. If we really needed to, we are still in a position of strength. Not sure for how much longer, but I still think for the foreseeable future they will still fear the people.
 
Skybolt said:
This^^^

Sanity has been out the window for years now and the "Need" as @Creekwood stated is real for some in this conversation. Meaning since the current administration allowed the BLM riots to happen and did nothing to stop them, is cause enough for every household to have a small armory.

Let's face it the Second Amendment is from a time when a militia took over and created this country. They wanted to make sure what they fought for never happened again.

We live in a time where that could never happen again. No matter how strong the "militia" got, fighting the US military is an impossibility. Democracy? That is not what we live in now. We the people can not change a dam thing even if we try. We have to hope that are elected officials will do what they say and what needs to be done. Ha - we're just along for the ride and we don't even have brakes.
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However - based upon the premise (from the media and many democrats) we had an "insurrection", a coup by their definition. Would it then not reinforce the Second Amendment and the stocking of firearms by those claiming such? Hmmm - such a quandary - a predicament....
I'm more concerned by millions of illegal aliens that are not vetted and the need to secure my family and properties.
 
ttmott said:
However - based upon the premise (from the media and many democrats) we had an "insurrection", a coup by their definition. Would it then not reinforce the Second Amendment and the stocking of firearms by those claiming such? Hmmm - such a quandary - a predicament....
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I guess if on that day, there were many publicly displayed guns and they were being used, then possibly. But even if that were true, and they were a coup how long would that have lasted and what would have been accomplished before the military got involved and ...
 
Will be interesting to see how gun laws shake out in Israel. They have relaxed some of their gun laws and are encouraging civilian firearms ownership and have increased personnel to move firearms permitting faster over the last 3 months. Citizen support groups are being encouraged to fight alongside IDF in protecting themselves and family.
We have to be careful not to think terrorism on that level can’t happen here and to believe everything in this messed up world will be just fine.
 
Flyer5 said:
I would have to disagree. Most of the military are still Americans. If we really needed to, we are still in a position of strength. Not sure for how much longer, but I still think for the foreseeable future they will still fear the people.
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You actually think the military would not step in if there were a coup? And you think we the people are in a position of strength? The military are Americans, yes, but they fight for the country, that means the current government and not the opposing force.

BTW, the US Military fears no one.
 
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