Global Warming

Tonka Boater said:
You southern folks are funny with your thin skin. I feel your pain but you described a typical week up here. We cancel school or hockey only if it gets below -15..
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You have not seen the people drive down how when there is ice or snow have you:lol::smt043:lol:
 
What's this cancelling you speak of... :grin: ok... once in a while we do too... usually only if it's very icy. Which does happen a few times per year. Snow usually doesn't cause it, although they call them snow days. It seems like nowadays cancellations happen easier. But that's because we had to walk uphill both ways to school and back in 4' snowdrifts.

-VtSeaRay

actually, when I was a kid, I used to build snowforts in snowdrifts that came off the lake behind trees and camps that were often 4-12' in height! And Rock hard on the outside - enough so, I could walk up /down them, without hardly making a track on them. But often inside they were mostly powder.
 
Global Warming???---We had record lows in last few weeks. It got down to 10 degrees in this area...These were all time record lowes for the day in this area...This has been a very cold winter for this area overall...Makes you wonder how much longer they can keep this man made global warming con game in operation...
 
Tonka Boater said:
You southern folks are funny with your thin skin. I feel your pain but you described a typical week up here. We cancel school or hockey only if it gets below -15.....otherwise bundle up and head to the bus stop. I hate it....I wish was as easy as pulling up the stakes and moving south. Kids, business, family = not easy to pack up move.
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I was once one of those "Tough Northerners" like you. Had the snow blower, four wheel drive vehicles, etc etc and 12 inches of "partly cloudy" were not going to phase me! Where I lived, in the snow belt of Northeast Ohio, we had 120-160 inches of snow a year and school never got cancelled unless it was a blizard or the roads were impassible. Then I moved south and wondered why it took me so long to make that decision. I am no longer "tough", just a bit wiser, and enjoying myself immensely since my boat stays in the water year round and gets used year round. :smt043
 
South Ga got down in the low 20's, yes that is cold for us, :grin:, Fl even froze this year, Orange juice is going to go up in price. Probably the worst we have had in several years, we have had worse, I can remember single digits here years ago.
 
Four Suns said:
It was the coldest January on record here... but if we drop the "cold" data points from the analysis, I bet we can get some government grants to study the warming in your area... sh!t... we might even get a freekin' Nobel Peace Prize!
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Sounds good to me. I can put that next to all my plaques for coaching sports teams for my boys.

Usually when we have mild winters it ends up raining all summer.
 
Got this email (he works for NWS )today about this coming weekend
Global Warming ptoooeee
Subject: Early Friday Scoop

Good morning,

Have a few minutes before I delve into a report that is due this
Friday... so let's cut to the chase.

First... there is no question a storm is coming. There is also no
question that it will be a very large storm, with 2-3 days worth of Gulf
moisture inflow to work with. So it won't be lacking in the pcp
department. The westward-moving blocking high over the Davis Straight
should virtually ensure the system does not track to our west and
north... but rather suppresses it to our south. This would also ensure
that it is mostly a cold event for the entire region, and support snow
or sleet or snow grains (mostly snow).

Timing. The first batch of pcp will be overrunning pcp... pcp that
forms when warm, moist air from the Gulf runs into and over cold air
already in place. Overrunning pcp is not an easy animal to pinpoint wrt
timing cos it's not really an entity that moves from point A to point
B... but tends to kinda just develop. Models handle this differently...
with the latest NAM/WRF having the snow arrive ~ 8 pm on Friday, while
the GFS has snow falling in the metro area between 7-11 am on Friday
morning, with crippling snowfall rates by mid afternoon. Needless to
say, this is a huge discrepancy, and would directly impact most
everyone's planning (work, kids, shopping, etc). I think the safe bet
is to go with the earlier timing.

Amounts: The GFS is "lighter"... with "only" 1.25 to perhaps as much
as 1.75". Assuming a conservative 10::1, that'll get you 10-18" of
snow. The WRF is the closest thing to Armageddon in a non-hurricane
fcst scenario that I've ever seen. It has a whopping 3" max over
Baltimore (literally centered on Mt Washington). with over 2.5"
everywhere else. Again, assuming all snow, that would be 25-30"+.
Ouch. Let's put it this way: Rulers may be useless for measuring snow
by late eve on Friday.

Duration: OK... so we have some differences inre to the onset, but the
general idea is during the day on Friday. When does it all end?
Well... after the overrunning part of the storm starts to wind down, the
models all show a second, stronger coastal low developing which gives us
a second prolonged burst of wind-driven snow... some of which would be
quite heavy. This is the part of the storm that will be occurring on
Saturday. No Hyperbole here: If the GFS and WRF are correct, the
region will be shut down on Saturday (and likely beyond). The coastal
low will be pulling colder air into the region from the north, causing
that snow to be fluffier and more apt to blow around into large drifts.
The snow would finally end as the remnant western low drifts over head
late Saturday eve or early Sunday.

Analog: The NWS is using the Feb 10-11, 1983 storm as an analog. That
storm featured almost 23" of snow at BWI, with lightning and thunder.
Sounds good to me.

Summary: Yes, it's still 2 days away... and while I tend to geek out
on y'all a bit, this storm should be taken seriously. My biggest worry
would be anyone who "has" to be at work on Friday... and they make it in
without any problem cos the pcp is slow to arrive, and then spend the
next 8 hours trying to get home. The NWS is buying into it at every
level (local and national offices), the models have it, and the storm
already exists. Safe to say, she's a comin'.

I'll keep you posted if there are any changes.

E
 
Dave S said:
I was once one of those "Tough Northerners" like you. Had the snow blower, four wheel drive vehicles, etc etc and 12 inches of "partly cloudy" were not going to phase me! Where I lived, in the snow belt of Northeast Ohio, we had 120-160 inches of snow a year and school never got cancelled unless it was a blizard or the roads were impassible. Then I moved south and wondered why it took me so long to make that decision. I am no longer "tough", just a bit wiser, and enjoying myself immensely since my boat stays in the water year round and gets used year round. :smt043
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Dave you must have hailed from up around the Cleveland area. I'm an Akron native....we were on the southern tip of the snow belt (lake effect) & averaged around 43" a year. In Akron they were at least equipped to handle the snow we got. Down here you get 2" or more & you literally take you own life in your hands....not from the snow but the other drivers on the road. I've never seen anything like it :lol:
 
gordovip24 said:
Got this email (he works for NWS )today about this coming weekend
Global Warming ptoooeee
Subject: Early Friday Scoop

Good morning,

Have a few minutes before I delve into a report that is due this
Friday... so let's cut to the chase.

First... there is no question a storm is coming. There is also no
question that it will be a very large storm, with 2-3 days worth of Gulf
moisture inflow to work with. So it won't be lacking in the pcp
department. The westward-moving blocking high over the Davis Straight
should virtually ensure the system does not track to our west and
north... but rather suppresses it to our south. This would also ensure
that it is mostly a cold event for the entire region, and support snow
or sleet or snow grains (mostly snow).

Timing. The first batch of pcp will be overrunning pcp... pcp that
forms when warm, moist air from the Gulf runs into and over cold air
already in place. Overrunning pcp is not an easy animal to pinpoint wrt
timing cos it's not really an entity that moves from point A to point
B... but tends to kinda just develop. Models handle this differently...
with the latest NAM/WRF having the snow arrive ~ 8 pm on Friday, while
the GFS has snow falling in the metro area between 7-11 am on Friday
morning, with crippling snowfall rates by mid afternoon. Needless to
say, this is a huge discrepancy, and would directly impact most
everyone's planning (work, kids, shopping, etc). I think the safe bet
is to go with the earlier timing.

Amounts: The GFS is "lighter"... with "only" 1.25 to perhaps as much
as 1.75". Assuming a conservative 10::1, that'll get you 10-18" of
snow. The WRF is the closest thing to Armageddon in a non-hurricane
fcst scenario that I've ever seen. It has a whopping 3" max over
Baltimore (literally centered on Mt Washington). with over 2.5"
everywhere else. Again, assuming all snow, that would be 25-30"+.
Ouch. Let's put it this way: Rulers may be useless for measuring snow
by late eve on Friday.

Duration: OK... so we have some differences inre to the onset, but the
general idea is during the day on Friday. When does it all end?
Well... after the overrunning part of the storm starts to wind down, the
models all show a second, stronger coastal low developing which gives us
a second prolonged burst of wind-driven snow... some of which would be
quite heavy. This is the part of the storm that will be occurring on
Saturday. No Hyperbole here: If the GFS and WRF are correct, the
region will be shut down on Saturday (and likely beyond). The coastal
low will be pulling colder air into the region from the north, causing
that snow to be fluffier and more apt to blow around into large drifts.
The snow would finally end as the remnant western low drifts over head
late Saturday eve or early Sunday.

Analog: The NWS is using the Feb 10-11, 1983 storm as an analog. That
storm featured almost 23" of snow at BWI, with lightning and thunder.
Sounds good to me.

Summary: Yes, it's still 2 days away... and while I tend to geek out
on y'all a bit, this storm should be taken seriously. My biggest worry
would be anyone who "has" to be at work on Friday... and they make it in
without any problem cos the pcp is slow to arrive, and then spend the
next 8 hours trying to get home. The NWS is buying into it at every
level (local and national offices), the models have it, and the storm
already exists. Safe to say, she's a comin'.

I'll keep you posted if there are any changes.

E
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UGH.. Thanks for sharing, I won't be traveling for work on Friday that is for sure!!! Better fire up the snowblower tonight and get ready...

I knew it was coming did not think it would be that severe...
 
60 degrees and sun is shining here! :smt038

Ooops, sorry East Coasters. :smt009
 
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