Generator is kicking my rear

searay40dad

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Oct 23, 2006
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Western KY/Panama City FL
Boat Info
2001 480 Sedan Bridge w/ Novurania RIB
Engines
660 hp CAT 3196's
My Westerbeke 12.5KW BTDB gen is shutting down intermittently. Started happening about 4-5 weeks ago and has happened 5-6 times now. The gen will start and run perfectly for several hours straight, for example, ran for ~10 hours straight this past Saturday then suddenly shut down. It always starts right back up and runs. I did a 11 day vacation over the 4th, I think it only shut down 2-3 times over the 11 days I was on the boat and we often run it 24/7. I have had one time it shut down after about 3 hours of run time and one time it shut down at night after running all day, I restarted it and ran for an hour then shut down again. Thats the only time its stopped like this after a re-start.

When the gen shuts down, its immediate, not like its starving for fuel. No sputtering. Just like you hit the stop switch. And, again, it fires right back up and will continue running for hours and hours.

I’ve checked and done the obvious. Seacock open, strainer & hose clean, impeller good, exhaust waterflow strong with no steam. I changed the impeller 3-4 weeks ago, all vanes accounted for. Re-checked last week, still good. checked and re-checked electrical connections.

As part of my normal maintenance a few weeks ago, I changed both racor and spin-on fuel filters, as well as oil & filter. I have re-checked the oil. Level is fine. I pulled and checked the spin-on, plenty of clean fuel. and the mains are not experiencing any fuel problems.

I have replaced the NO oil pressure switch (37323). I did see the post a few weeks ago about a bad lot of 37323 switches—two tried with same result. I have not replaced the Sea Ray NC oil pressure switch (11552) that is tied to the SR alarm/monitor (although I replaced it last summer). I have also replaced the engine temp (39550) switch (as well as thermostat and new gasket earlier this summer). The only safety shutdown switch I have not replaced is the exhaust temp switch (32923 I think). That is going to be a royal b!tch to do as it’s on the outboard side, to the rear of the gen. Getting to the sound cover latches and getting the sound cover off, then getting to the switch won’t be easy as the water heater and bridge a/c compressor are obstacles.

According to the gauges, water temps and oil pressures are within spec. I’ve verified the engine temp with a IR thermometer. I pulled the heat exchanger, cleaned and flushed the cooling system and filled with same AF I run in my mains, CAT ELC, last May after I returned home after 9 months in Florida.

So, whats left? Could be a bad exhaust temp switch. With the amount of water I’m pumping, I can’t see it being high temp related but who knows about the switch itself. Or, I guess it could be that the fuel pump is going bad. Although my experience with fuel pumps isn’t consistent with the symptoms I’m seeing. Considering the hours on put on my gen, putting a new fuel pump on isn’t a bad idea anyway. If it doesn’t solve the problem, I’ll have a spare worst case. I do remember a discussion we had several years ago about collapsing fuel hoses causing some shut downs but this just doesn’t present like a fuel problem.
 
I know that my carbureted gas generator is a totally different animal, but it acted as you are describing. It would run fine and then just randomly and completely shut down. Sometimes it would start right back up... other times it would take an hour or more. End result was a bad float. Not that it wouldn't float, but a burr had formed on the cheap plastic float. Occasionally that burr would get stuck and close the fuel flow into the bowl, so when the fuel ran out it would just die. Eventually the unsupported weight of the float would overcome the force of the burr holding it up (at some random time... or after having the boat out and bouncing), and fuel would flow back in the next time I tried to start it.
 
Is there any possibility you have a CO monitor that is capable of shutting down the generator?
 
Diesel gens don't have floats and I would be very surprised if they had any kind of CO monitoring system since they emit so little CO. When you change the racor, did you happen to notice any sludge, contamination?
1)Maybe the fuel pick up for the gen is clogged at the fuel tank.
2) Intermittent connection on one of the sensor
3) Senor is bad, obviously you have gone through almost all of that already.
4) There are some run solenoids on mine (westerbeke 5bcd) but I will assume your may be in a different spot. Mine were inside the gauge box, remove gauge panel and inside are some relays. had to replace one once, don't remember what the initial problem was, was a long time ago.

What makes this hard is it is intermittent and it start right back up. Not sure if you know, but when the gen shuts down, the gauges are supposed to remain at the spot where they shut down so you can rule out temp pretty quickly.

Read your post again, really sounds like a bad connection someplace on the sensor loop.
 
We can now add a new fuel pump and fuel shutoff solenoid to the list. Gen is still shutting down intermittently but symptoms are changing. Last couple of weeks its kicked off a couple of times after running only an hour or so. As always, fires right back up--every time. After it shut down a couple of times Saturday morning, the silly thing then ran perfectly the entire day until we shut it down after midnight. Sunday, fired up and ran fine until we pulled back into the dock mid-afternoon.

The only obvious thing left for me to check is the exhaust temp switch which I am not looking forward to tackling due to its physical location. Hoping I can locate the wiring and bypass easy enough to see if that makes a difference. Then I guess start taking some things apart to check the K2 relay and look any other circuitry that might cause the K2 to open.

If this fails, I'm pulling it out and throwing it in the lake.
 
my Onan was doing the same thing...added 1 quart of coolant to the reservoir and it has never done it again
the thermal limit switch for the exhaust manifold was tripping
 
Well, I wish that was my problem but fluids were the first thing I checked.

As far as bad connections go, its a possibility, but I don't think likely as the gen has immediately re-started every single time after its stopped. Atleast once I would have expected an open or something shorted to gnd to have remained as such thereby preventing it from re-starting. Its like something in the circuit is opening and shutting things down and when 12V is re-applied its reset. I'm getting absolutely no sputtering like you'd see if you have a fuel-related problem. zip. nada. nil.
 
My first instinct is a safety shutdown switch with a glitch
oil/temp/overload.... if there is truly no mechanical failure cross the wires to eliminate the circuit
one at a time preferably and see f it happens again
or try to find the pattern of the occurence. there will be one
 
I think Aarrhh has it right, fuel solenoid.
 
We can now add a new fuel pump and fuel shutoff solenoid to the list. Gen is still shutting down intermittently but symptoms are changing. Last couple of weeks its kicked off a couple of times after running only an hour or so. As always, fires right back up--every time. After it shut down a couple of times Saturday morning, the silly thing then ran perfectly the entire day until we shut it down after midnight. Sunday, fired up and ran fine until we pulled back into the dock mid-afternoon.

The only obvious thing left for me to check is the exhaust temp switch which I am not looking forward to tackling due to its physical location. Hoping I can locate the wiring and bypass easy enough to see if that makes a difference. Then I guess start taking some things apart to check the K2 relay and look any other circuitry that might cause the K2 to open.

If this fails, I'm pulling it out and throwing it in the lake.

So guess what? Yep, the K2 run relay. If I had it to all over again, it would still be the last thing I'd check. How many of you have ever seen this one I wonder...
 
On a positive note, all your maintenance and generator refresh items are done...glad it was finally resolved, I know how frustrating these things can be.
 

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