Garmin Navionics Sub'd Charts

Skybolt said:
Al, That's because the internal on the 76xx series and the GMN reader had a 16gb limit. The new internals on the 86xx/xx43 series are 32gb. I currently have a 32gb card in them now.
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@alnav Well I was wrong on the capacity of the 76xx series, it seems 32gb works just fine with that. So it not working is confusing.

I also tried the two really quickly on the boat. I can't seem to find any differences, but I think I have to dig deeper.

But to confirm, the Navionics+ charts do not display on the 76xx series at all.

Can't really see the difference between Vision+ and Navionics+ - except colors seem to be a little different. Will have to dig deep into this to see the differences.

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The subscription based charts are not a "ripoff", unlike the G3 vision cards, with the Navionics based charts, your charts will always be updated. If you cancel the subscription, your keep what you have, and lose future updates. The Navionics charts do not erase your old G3 data unless you intentionally overwrite the SD card. Your plotter will automatically display the most current chart available to the system. The G3 data with your built in chart does not change, and if you want to use it instead of the newer Navionics charts, just remove the SD card with the newer charts.

The auto guidance with the Navionics charts is a huge improvement and will now route you within the marked channel on the intercoastal waterway.

The internal card readers for compatible plotters will work. If you have a unit without the internal reader, such as my 8617, you must use the newer USB SD card reader (about $100.00)

Compatible plotters will share the charts as long as they are networked. They will not share built in charts.
 
BlueYonder said:
The subscription based charts are not a "ripoff", unlike the G3 vision cards, with the Navionics based charts, your charts will always be updated. If you cancel the subscription, your keep what you have, and lose future updates. The Navionics charts do not erase your old G3 data unless you intentionally overwrite the SD card. Your plotter will automatically display the most current chart available to the system. The G3 data with your built in chart does not change, and if you want to use it instead of the newer Navionics charts, just remove the SD card with the newer charts.

The auto guidance with the Navionics charts is a huge improvement and will now route you within the marked channel on the intercoastal waterway.

The internal card readers for compatible plotters will work. If you have a unit without the internal reader, such as my 8617, you must use the newer USB SD card reader (about $100.00)

Compatible plotters will share the charts as long as they are networked. They will not share built in charts.
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I don't understand "ripoff" - the G3 updates are $100. And you own them indefinately. So what exactly is the diffenence?
Frankly, I don't see any reason to update more than every couple of years. Things just don't change that often other than a marker getting relocated for silting. Should I believe a marker on the chartplotter or the marker in front of me.....
I use G3 autoguidance quite often in the channel and it does pretty good both with routing and with warnings and notifications during setup.
Stick with what ya have - not worth the conversion or a subscription.
 
BlueYonder said:
The subscription based charts are not a "ripoff", unlike the G3 vision cards, with the Navionics based charts, your charts will always be updated. If you cancel the subscription, your keep what you have, and lose future updates. The Navionics charts do not erase your old G3 data unless you intentionally overwrite the SD card. Your plotter will automatically display the most current chart available to the system. The G3 data with your built in chart does not change, and if you want to use it instead of the newer Navionics charts, just remove the SD card with the newer charts.

The auto guidance with the Navionics charts is a huge improvement and will now route you within the marked channel on the intercoastal waterway.

The internal card readers for compatible plotters will work. If you have a unit without the internal reader, such as my 8617, you must use the newer USB SD card reader (about $100.00)

Compatible plotters will share the charts as long as they are networked. They will not share built in charts.
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I don't understand "ripoff" either and could not disagree more about that. If you want to discuss "ripoff", the subscription based system is just that. Not to mention
I don't see any difference so far between Vision+ and sub'd Navionics+.

The internal reader does NOT work for every MFD, in fact Garmin's 76xx series would not read the new sub'd card, but does read the Vision+ card, both 32gb. My guess is that, that series can't process the Nav+ charts, so it ignores the card.

I had to reach around backwards to get to the internal reader on the back of my1243, can't see it, only by tough. Guess what I just ordered from BOE ...
 
I said the built in reader will work for compatible plotters, the 7600 is not a compatible plotter and will not work with the Navionics based charts.

I still don't see how the subscription based system could be considered a "ripoff" You get the same or more coverage, regular updates, for the same or less cost than the G3 charts. I just extended my subscription for a year for the US South Vision + for $129.00. That includes the Hi Rez shading, raster charts, and satellite imagery. They want $329.00 to update my 2 year old G3 vision VUS011R South Florida Chart, a much smaller coverage area for significantly higher cost. There seems to be a misconception that you lose the chart if you let the subscription expire. This is not true. If you don't continue the subscription, you keep what you have downloaded.
 
BlueYonder said:
I said the built in reader will work for compatible plotters, the 7600 is not a compatible plotter and will not work with the Navionics based charts.

I still don't see how the subscription based system could be considered a "ripoff" You get the same or more coverage, regular updates, for the same or less cost than the G3 charts. I just extended my subscription for a year for the US South Vision + for $129.00. That includes the Hi Rez shading, raster charts, and satellite imagery. They want $329.00 to update my 2 year old G3 vision VUS011R South Florida Chart, a much smaller coverage area for significantly higher cost. There seems to be a misconception that you lose the chart if you let the subscription expire. This is not true. If you don't continue the subscription, you keep what you have downloaded.
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That's just stating the obvious.

Sub based is a yearly thing, so you don't own anything except the base chart and will loose features if you don't pay for it again and again and again. You get my point.

Buying the Vision+, you own it, paid for it once, that's it. You do get free updates for a year, which is what you get from the sub. No different.



This is all very moot in that Garmin is going the way of the subscription so it doesn't really matter, if not this year, then next. It's in our future, they're just letting us get used to it first so they don't loose their customer base. JMO.

I just think something like a chart should be as full featured as one can get and just buy the dame thing. What happens if your away and your Starlink goes down and you can't re-up the sub? Now what...
 
BlueYonder said:
What features do you lose?

Expired Garmin Navionics+ Subscriptions | Garmin Customer Support

Garmin Support Center is where you will find answers to frequently asked questions and resources to help with all of your Garmin products.
support.garmin.com support.garmin.com
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The extended ones like Autorouting. I would have to get the list from the website to be complete. But so far it doesn't look like they're any better then the Vision+. I don't use auto-routing because it's not compatible with my AP. But will have to check that out this year, one of the reasons I opted to try this out.

I will have to play around this weekend and see what, if any differences are to be found. I guess with the 7608 and keeping my existing vision+ chart in that MFD and the new Navionics+ in the 1243(s) will be interesting to see how things go with this. I don't really use the 7608 for anything navigation though, so it's just a backup for the sub'd charts.
 
BlueYonder said:
What features do you lose?

Expired Garmin Navionics+ Subscriptions | Garmin Customer Support

Garmin Support Center is where you will find answers to frequently asked questions and resources to help with all of your Garmin products.
support.garmin.com support.garmin.com
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I would ask why have required annual subscription if no features were removed at the end of the period?
Why not simply continue to purchace updated chart packages?

Here is the thing - if you are on a distant and long trip and the suscription comes due, are you, your boat, and passengers in a bad situation losing important features in the chart package?
 
So the package I sub'd too was Navionics+ Vision+ and there isn't any sat photos in the down load of the chart package. It seems they are in the updates that are mandatory through Active Captain. I tried to update today and after 3hrs of transferring,failing and re-trying I gave up. Calling Garmin for an SD card. I was able to download the 18gb through Express, but no sat photos ... Can't confirm this but it looks like sat photos are also part of the extended features.

Never again, Active Captain really sucks to update through, not to mention it only allows two devices to have it active which makes no sense what so ever.
 
BlueYonder said:
What features do you lose?

Expired Garmin Navionics+ Subscriptions | Garmin Customer Support

Garmin Support Center is where you will find answers to frequently asked questions and resources to help with all of your Garmin products.
support.garmin.com support.garmin.com
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The extended auto routing and relief charts for one. At least that's what tech support said. I use he relief charts exclusively here in the Chesapeake, very low water everywhere.

Buying the G3 Vision+ has the relief charts in them. I will say this, the auto routing in the sub version is a lot better then the G3. It looks to be very accurate from my basic tests today. Not like the standard auto routing that makes a lot of mistakes.
 
My sub expired in June of 23 I let it go because I didn’t see the value in renewing. Labor Day weekend I was headed out and my autoroutung stopped working. Seems they gave me 90 day grace period. I switched to my g3 and autorouted to my destination. Nothing else really changed. Autoroute is not a must have but it is a nice to have if I have not already preplanned a route. It also popped up and told me at every boot up that it was expired. I do like the look and details. I found with the g3 sometimes I would lose parts of my maps and had to redownload. That was a real pain when I needed it for a trip as active captain was too damn slow. Never had that issue with my sub. That being said I’ll renew again when it expires in Sept.
 
I wonder - Are the other navigation companies going to a subscription based software?
 
ttmott said:
I wonder - Are the other navigation companies going to a subscription based software?
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The auto companies look to be doing away with their mapping and going to Google based maps which will require a monthly/yearly data plan. In the past you would get maps in your car's nav system that you would need to buy an update every couple of years (ota or stick). Now it's updated constantly in the data plan. I can see boat nav systems going to something like that soon.
 
Working in IT and dealing with many different vendors. I’ve noticed almost everyone is moving to sub based applications. The one benefit is that you will always have a support package and the latest software. If you think charting subs are rip off wait until they move to subs for the operating systems on their mfd. I think eventually they will get there.
 
Jus Cruisin said:
The auto companies look to be doing away with their mapping and going to Google based maps which will require a monthly/yearly data plan. In the past you would get maps in your car's nav system that you would need to buy an update every couple of years (ota or stick). Now it's updated constantly in the data plan. I can see boat nav systems going to something like that soon.
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Isn't that what Garmin is doing? Google Maps at it's current state could never be used for navigation. Also having to sub to a cell service just for that would be horrible. Garmin already requires that for their On deck system.
 
Irie308 said:
Working in IT and dealing with many different vendors. I’ve noticed almost everyone is moving to sub based applications. The one benefit is that you will always have a support package and the latest software. If you think charting subs are rip off wait until they move to subs for the operating systems on their mfd. I think eventually they will get there.
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God, don't let Garmin turn into Microsoft. That would make things such a mess and would probably take Garmin off of their high mountain. JMO. In business you don't have many choices for a PC's operating system, basically only MS. Garmin has too many competitors that are just as robust.
 
Irie308 said:
Working in IT and dealing with many different vendors. I’ve noticed almost everyone is moving to sub based applications. The one benefit is that you will always have a support package and the latest software. If you think charting subs are rip off wait until they move to subs for the operating systems on their mfd. I think eventually they will get there.
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Being a subject ot IT it appears to me it is more about revenue than the customer utility.
 
Well I got the everything updated today, all of almost 2hrs, and still missing raster charts and no sat photos. Yeah I can see why people would want to sub this stuff ...
 
Just spoke with Garmin Tech support and even though you can use express to download the base chart purchased, you MUST use Active Captain to download sections of the charted area to the MFD. That means all extended features like Sat Photos, Sonar images, Raster Charts and the like all need to be downloaded through AC exclusively.

This really is not optimum use of anyone's time, not you MUST dedicate hours to upload the chart data to the MFD(s). Also the Express downloaded card is basically useless now and not needed.

This means Active Captain is the only thing that can be used for a subscription charting package. Not to mention all of that data needs to be downloaded to your phone first then to the MFD. The problem is this is going to take up a huge amount of storage and in most cases will exceed the phones memory.

The good news is tech support stated that whatever is downloaded will not expire. This contradicts what I was told previously, so which version of this is correct? I guess I will see next year.

Meanwhile I will be trying to download the area's of this chart package to a tablet with an external memory card dedicated to this. Then spend hours updating the MFD(s).
 
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