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Gofirstclass said:
This just sickens and saddens me, but it also makes me further understand why they do it. If we Americans are dumb enough to buy the drugs, he's greedy enough to sell it to us.
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Isn't that the truth. What happened to self discipline, self respect and respect for the law............
 
Gofirstclass said:
If we Americans are dumb enough to buy the drugs, he's greedy enough to sell it to us.
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Somehow I don't think it's just you "Americans". Recreational use of drugs is a problem in a lot of countries. Because most of the funds were in US dollars only means that US dollars are the preferred currency. I'm wondering wtf he was doing with the Chinese yaun.
 
That is beyond comprehension.... If that is in fact $22 billion in cash then the Mexican government is suddenly doing quite well. Wonder how many homeless Mexicans will be fed with that money???? None.... the whole thing is sickening.
 
BritLady said:
Isn't that the truth. What happened to self discipline, self respect and respect for the law............
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In Mexico? What law? Looks to me if he had a nice savings plan in place.

Just seems to show how little the DEA and other countries boarders agents really intercepts.
 
What's amazing to me is ...... there are THAT many drug users to keep this kind of thing going. Just amazes me.
 
Random Thoughts.

I guess we can no longer believe the Forbes Richest list as this guy would be in the top 30...

Did we learn nothing from alcohol prohibition?

Anyone can run a successful business at 1700% profit...

How many billion did we spend to catch him?

MM
 
Many of you sound incredibly naive, drugs are everywhere and it is a fools errand to try and stop them. It only hurts the ones we love. To demonstrate the folly we face trying to contain drugs in our country and world, look at our federal prisions, we can't even keep them out of supposedly secure Federal pens!!!

I have never tried a drug in my life and have no plans to, though I have passed on opportunities, but this amount of money and power just clearly shows we can't stop it. I read some years ago we were spending $55 billion at the Federal level alone trying to stop drug availability. As a country we have spent trillions and are no where on the issue. It seems to me the evidence clearly shows we have lost the war on drugs and need to adopt a different strategy.

MM
 
Let me try to draw a parallel here.

I moved into this little town 3 hours north of Chicago. The town has a tiny airport however ever morning this Lear jet takes off then lands again every night.
A friend of mine is in the Air National Guard stationed there so I asked about the jet. He tells me this is the guy who invented then marketed the chip that sets off the airbags in your car. He gets ½ of 1% for every chip sold.
This guy flies his personal jet into Chicago every day to attend a think tank that comes up with new inventions then flies home at night.

Now take every drug user and make a 1700% profit, as Mike states, off of their purchase. Not too hard to believe the amount of wealth one can again in a short period of time.
 
MonacoMike said:
Many of you sound incredibly naive, drugs are everywhere and it is a fools errand to try and stop them. It only hurts the ones we love. To demonstrate the folly we face trying to contain drugs in our country and world, look at our federal prisions, we can't even keep them out of supposedly secure Federal pens!!!

I have never tried a drug in my life and have no plans to, though I have passed on opportunities, but this amount of money and power just clearly shows we can't stop it. I read some years ago we were spending $55 billion at the Federal level alone trying to stop drug availability. As a country we have spent trillions and are no where on the issue. It seems to me the evidence clearly shows we have lost the war on drugs and need to adopt a different strategy.

MM
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So you're saying we should open the borders and let the drugs flow in? We apparently lost so lets just give up?

It's not fair to say we lost.... if the drug problem is this bad with $55B spent then think how bad it would be if we did nothing. I've never done drugs either but I know people whose lives have been destroyed by them. It's sad, very sad, and I don't think "the war" is a wasted effort. The drug lords are ungodly rich but they are not winning. The vast majority of the world does NOT do drugs... all of that money is made off the unfortunate people who got sucked into that lifestyle. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal (card carrying conservative, fwiw) but we need to keep fighting this stuff. Legalize pot...who cares. It's the hard stuff that is making these guys richer than the Forbes list.
 
I was going to skip this thread but I guess I can't stay away any longer.

IF that is $22B, and our government didn't spend $5B to invade that freakin hell hole of a country & take it back, then I'd never be able to trust our government again.

Oh, wait. I never trusted them to begin with. Our Federal Government could not care less about that money. They are very glad that it is not in the hands of law abiding Americans. But other than that, it is of little concern. The current judicial system needs for our streets to be littered, saturated with drugs. Think about this... if they ever won the so called war on drugs, and rid our entire country of drugs, what would happen?
 
dwna1a said:
In Mexico? What law? Looks to me if he had a nice savings plan in place.

Just seems to show how little the DEA and other countries boarders agents really intercepts.
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LOL, I was referring to the drug users, last I heard drugs are illegal in most countries and certainly here:) If folk didn't succumb to taking this "stuff" and break the law he'd be out of business:) Our son flys on drug interdiction cases and they only scratch the surface, it's mammoth business.....supply and demand I suppose. Shame there's a demand at all:)
 
Tonka Boater said:
So you're saying we should open the borders and let the drugs flow in? We apparently lost so lets just give up?

It's not fair to say we lost.... if the drug problem is this bad with $55B spent then think how bad it would be if we did nothing. I've never done drugs either but I know people whose lives have been destroyed by them. It's sad, very sad, and I don't think "the war" is a wasted effort. The drug lords are ungodly rich but they are not winning. The vast majority of the world does NOT do drugs... all of that money is made off the unfortunate people who got sucked into that lifestyle. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal (card carrying conservative, fwiw) but we need to keep fighting this stuff. Legalize pot...who cares. It's the hard stuff that is making these guys richer than the Forbes list.
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First off, I'm on your side but just think the current way of doing things isn't working. The first point presupposes that there is unmet demand and we actually do stop some supply. I very much doubt that. We all know folks whose lives have been wrecked by drugs, but that's not the only way, anything addictive can wreck a life and most are legal, sanctioned by, and profited by the government. If the givernment can't stop drugs from federal pens isn't all that wasted? It is time to find a different approach to this issue.

MM
 
Re: We are going about it the wrong way

In Tucson AZ for Years the sheriff got an almost new squad car about every few months or so, ...Stipulation, there was a huge sticker put on the sides "Confiscated from a drug dealer"
Yes he admitted the metallic colors and usual gold 22 inch rims... looked a little off with red and blue's on top but they were usually comfortable and had cool stereo's
Personally I think it sent the right message! and saved tax dollars! If drug bust money went to the eradication of the drug trade... just be positive irony!
Only real problem, to this solution, is the politicians are too greedy and go for the money grab
 
Re: We are going about it the wrong way

BritLady said:
What happened to self discipline, self respect and respect for the law............
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Tonka Boater said:
...but I know people whose lives have been destroyed by them. The vast majority of the world does NOT do drugs... all of that money is made off the unfortunate people who got sucked into that lifestyle.
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blu-ray said:
Only real problem, to this solution, is the politicians are too greedy and go for the money grab
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So we have determined we have no "discipline, self respect and respect for the law", addicts will be addicts, and "politicians are too greedy and go for the money grab".

and we can win a "war on drugs" that goes against several unviable laws of human nature?


Blu-ray, That sheriff is using that car and money to do one thing, satisfy goal 1b of every elected official, get reelected. What could be better free to his campaign than this eye catcher? such conspicuous see me type of defense has been used in the past as a cover for corruption. I know nothing of this situation so this is just an academic point.

MM
 
The Milwaukee sheriffs department had 2 - ZR1 Corvettes. One was a patrol car with full squad package and the "donate by local drug dealer" sticker on the back and another that was under a tarp at the garage they used for sting operations.
 
Westie said:
Actually if you do a little research you will see that this happened back in March of 2007 and the amount of cash was 207 million.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/ops/money.shtml

http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol07/mar/b11007.htm
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I had seen this in an e-mail a couple years ago and was always suspicious of the dollar amount and figured that it had reached urban legend status. The story itself is similar to the movie BLOW which is based on the true story of a us drug smuggler. If you haven't seen it check it out sometime.

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MonacoMike said:
Many of you sound incredibly naive, drugs are everywhere and it is a fools errand to try and stop them. It only hurts the ones we love. To demonstrate the folly we face trying to contain drugs in our country and world, look at our federal prisions, we can't even keep them out of supposedly secure Federal pens!!!

I have never tried a drug in my life and have no plans to, though I have passed on opportunities, but this amount of money and power just clearly shows we can't stop it. I read some years ago we were spending $55 billion at the Federal level alone trying to stop drug availability. As a country we have spent trillions and are no where on the issue. It seems to me the evidence clearly shows we have lost the war on drugs and need to adopt a different strategy.

MM
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It can be won. It takes the mental fortitude to understand it will be messy. You go in with some basic premises. 1. Go in to win. 2. Go in heavily armed . 3. Take no prisoners. 4. There will be colateral damage.

If you don't think that methodology works, check out the total number of race riots in Little Italy in Baltimore in the late 60's and early 70's took place. Answer = 0. The gangs knew the ramifications of bringing the fights inside certain limits.
 
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