Do Boaters In Your Area Use DSC To Locate Friends?

MonacoMike

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We have these awesome tools and most boaters I ask don’t even know that have the ability to ping my MMSI number and get my position sent to their plotter.


Most never got their MMSI number...
 
We have these awesome tools and most boaters I ask don’t even know that have the ability to ping my MMSI number and get my position sent to their plotter.


Most never got their MMSI number...
I just set mine up Friday night. Haha.
 
The range for ‘finding via DSC’ is still limited to VHF range correct? Whats the general thought on average range between two vessels? 30 miles?

I recently upgraded the VHF with gps/dsc and did the test call while docked at the marina - worked great. On our last trip out, middle of Lake Erie (half way between CLE and PIB) I tried the same test call - nothing. Thinking I also need new antenna, but was surprised that it didn't work. I know there are range calculators out there as well.
 
The range for ‘finding via DSC’ is still limited to VHF range correct? Whats the general thought on average range between two vessels? 30 miles?

I recently upgraded the VHF with gps/dsc and did the test call while docked at the marina - worked great. On our last trip out, middle of Lake Erie (half way between CLE and PIB) I tried the same test call - nothing. Thinking I also need new antenna, but was surprised that it didn't work. I know there are range calculators out there as well.
It depends on the height of the antenna on each boat. When I'm running with similar boats(antenna heights) 10-12 miles can't be counted on.
 
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We had the VHF radio number in case it was needed in an mergency. Used our cell phones to connect with friends and arrange slips.
 
I have used it before, but you need to exchange MMSI numbers and program them into your radio. So its a bit awkward. It also only works within VHF range, and since most boaters monitor 16 or scan while they are underway, its just as easy (maybe easier) to just hail them on 16 and switch to a working channel to chat.
 
The DSC range is quite a bit greater than the VHF voice analogue. However, still limited by the line of sight. My understanding it has to do with the digital nature of a DSC signal.
I have made DSC calls to boats that no way they could pickup a channel 16 hail from me. Plus your DSC call is secure and no one else can listen in.
To make an emergency MMSI call (pressing the red button) GPS has to be integrated with the VHF. Otherwise the responding people wouldn't know where your boat is....
 
I have used it before, but you need to exchange MMSI numbers and program them into your radio. So its a bit awkward. It also only works within VHF range, and since most boaters monitor 16 or scan while they are underway, its just as easy (maybe easier) to just hail them on 16 and switch to a working channel to chat.

DSC can happen without recipients participation. I can ping a number and the GPS connected radio will send back their location and even put that location on my plotter. Way more efficient than we are down by the blue house...
 
Wha huh? Did someone just say, "Rollercoastr, go get your soapbox"? :D

I've been on a mission for the past few years to get as many boats as possible to fully-enable DSC. This summer I decided to try to get every boat on my pier configured. I know that's not realistic, but I've had more success than I expected.

Position Requests are kinda cool. I think for me they're about 3rd in usefulness as far as DSC features go, but considering how important Distress Calls and Selective Calling are, that's saying something!

As Creekwood mentioned, the directory issue is probably the biggest impediment to the PosReq feature. I keep a Google Sheet with the vessel and MMSI info of the boats I've helped configure. I then take that data and program it into my Garmins. All of them. :mad: Unlike routes, maps, radar, sonar, and track data, Garmin doesn't share MMSI/Other Vessel data on the network. I program 2 MFD's and the VHF with vessel data. I can keep up with it now, but at some point I'm sure that will get away from me. I've programmed my own info into my friend's VHF's. I wish there was a way to import/export, but no such luck. (my SH portable can, but even SH fixed-mounts can't!)

Regarding Position Requests: I certainly haven't seen every VHF radio on the market, but the ones I have worked with default the reply to a PosReq to "prompt". In other words, if someone requests your position, you have to tell/allow your radio to respond. My Garmin has PosReq settings including "automatically reply", "Manually reply" (prompt) and ignore. I keep mine on auto.

A good friend of mine recently bought a new to him, old boat. I didn't give him a choice about upgrading his VHF and connecting it to his plotter. Our first venture out was a raft-up - a great day. When time came to weigh anchors, I idled nearby to make sure he didn't have any issues. He got on-plane, so I hit my own throttles and cranked-up the stereo and headed even further into the Verizon dead zone, enjoying the sunset cruise home. Minutes later, my VHF starting ringing. I looked back to find him stopped. He had lost his port engine. He said he had tried to text me and hail me on VHF, but I don't know what channel I was even monitoring or if I had the volume high enough. DSC worked though!

Since then I send him PosReqs when he goes out without me. I can make sure he's making headway and see exactly when he's heading back to the dock.

Regarding those DSC calls: yes, the digital signal travels further than an analog call. That's helpful when sending a Distress, making a selective call or sending a PosReq. It doesn't however help with conversations - that's still analog and non-private. When placing a DSC call, the digital part is the ringing. Only the intended recipient's VHF "rings", and that's sent digitally over ch 70. When the recipient acknowledges the call, the radios negotiate to choose a regular working channel such as 68, 72 etc. and from that point forward the call is a plain ol' public analog conversation. (my friend's SH likes to choose Ch 6, which always causes me to double-take)

Regarding test calls: this one surprised me. I too had spotty luck with test calls to the USCG test MMSI 003669999. I suspected that I had some antenna issues, but I've since learned that 003669999 is not automated! Someone at the USCG has to manually respond to provide a response! Ugh. It was disappointing, but I probably shouldn't have been surprised.

Regarding Distress Calls: you guessed, more govmint ineptitude. I assumed that after registering my info with an agency who provided me with an MMSI and then shared that data with the FCC who shares that with first responders such as police and CG, that in a Distress event, that data is automatically available to those first responders. Typing it out, it even sounds naive! Sure enough, it's apparently rare that the personal and vessel info we provide in order to obtain our MMSI's is available to first responders. That's discouraging, but it also under-scores the critical importance of providing position data to your VHF radio, as that's the most important data in a distress situation.
 
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Wha huh? Did someone just say, "Rollercoastr, go get your soapbox"? :D

I've been on a mission for the past few years to get as many boats as possible to fully-enable DSC. This summer I decided to try to get every boat on my pier configured. I know that's not realistic, but I've had more success than I expected.

Position Requests are kinda cool. I think for me they're about 3rd in usefulness as far as DSC features go, but considering how important Distress Calls and Selective Calling are, that's saying something!

As Creekwood mentioned, the directory issue is probably the biggest impediment to the PosReq feature. I keep a Google Sheet with the vessel and MMSI info of the boats I've helped configure. I then take that data and program it into my Garmins. All of them. :mad: Unlike routes, maps, radar, sonar, and track data, Garmin doesn't share MMSI/Other Vessel data on the network. I program 2 MFD's and the VHF with vessel data. I can keep up with it now, but at some point I'm sure that will get away from me. I've programmed my own info into my friend's VHF's. I wish there was a way to import/export, but no such luck. (my SH portable can, but even SH fixed-mounts can't!)

Regarding Position Requests: I certainly haven't seen every VHF radio on the market, but the ones I have worked with default the reply to a PosReq to "prompt". In other words, if someone requests your position, you have to tell/allow your radio to respond. My Garmin has PosReq settings including "automatically reply", "Manually reply" (prompt) and ignore. I keep mine on auto.

A good friend of mine recently bought a new to him, old boat. I didn't give him a choice about upgrading his VHF and connecting it to his plotter. Our first venture out was a raft-up - a great day. When time came to weigh anchors, I idled nearby to make sure he didn't have any issues. He got on-plane, so I hit my own throttles and cranked-up the stereo and headed even further into the Verizon dead zone, enjoying the sunset cruise home. Minutes later, my VHF starting ringing. I looked back to find him stopped. He had lost his port engine. He said he had tried to text me and hail me on VHF, but I don't know what channel I was even monitoring or if I had the volume high enough. DSC worked though!

Since then I send him PosReqs when he goes out without me. I can make sure he's making headway and see exactly when he's heading back to the dock.

Regarding those DSC calls: yes, the digital signal travels further than an analog call. That's helpful when sending a Distress, making a selective call or sending a PosReq. It doesn't however help with conversations - that's still analog and non-private. When placing a DSC call, the digital part is the ringing. Only the intended recipient's VHF "rings", and that's sent digitally over ch 70. When the recipient acknowledges the call, the radios negotiate to choose a regular working channel such as 68, 72 etc. and from that point forward the call is a plain ol' public analog conversation. (my friend's SH likes to choose Ch 6, which always causes me to double-take)

Regarding test calls: this one surprised me. I too had spotty luck with test calls to the USCG test MMSI 003669999. I suspected that I had some antenna issues, but I've since learned that 003669999 is not automated! Someone at the USCG has to manually respond to provide a response! Ugh. It was disappointing, but I probably shouldn't have been surprised.

Regarding Distress Calls: you guessed, more govmint ineptitude. I assumed that after registering my info with an agency who provided me with an MMSI and then shared that data with the FCC who shares that with first responders such as police and CG, that in a Distress event, that data is automatically available to those first responders. Typing it out, it even sounds naive! Sure enough, it's apparently rare that the personal and vessel info we provide in order to obtain our MMSI's is available to first responders. That's discouraging, but it also under-scores the critical importance of providing position data to your VHF radio, as that's the most important data in a distress situation.

Glad I could tee this up for you. Great post.
 
Same here. Thank you for making these posts. I've been completely overlooking the usefulness of DSC. I will need to do more setup on this.
 
@RollerCoastr where did you find the info about all of this? This site states the USCG is an automated response: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=DSCTesting - that said, it wouldn't surprise me that this is wrong either.

"For VHF DSC radios equipped with the Test Call feature, test transmissions should be made to the US Coast Guard MMSI 003669999 to receive an automated VHF DSC test response. You must use the “Test Call” category of your radio because “Individual” category calls to this address will not receive an automated response. For older radios not having a test call capability, testing can only be performed by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile Service Indentity (MMSI)."

Thanks for posting all of this.
 
Sky, it came from a conversation with local Coasties. I had been stopped in the dinghy with expired registration and no ID by a 25' Defender RIB. I was carrying my DSC portable, so I asked if they could cross-reference my MMSI with my ID. They couldn't. They said they didn't have access to MMSI owner/vessel data.

We struck-up a conversation when I was complaining about spotty, inconsistent responses. I asked why I get such a low success rate with the DSC test call, yet my VHF range with regular transmissions is predictable. This was a while ago, so my imagination may have filled-in some blanks, but they said that each receiving station has to maintain their own system (Rescue 21?), and it often requires manual intervention.
 
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Sky, it came from a conversation with local Coasties. I had been stopped in the dinghy with expired registration and no ID by a 25' Defender RIB. I was carrying my DSC portable, so I asked if they could cross-reference my MMSI with my ID. They couldn't. They said they didn't have access to MMSI owner/vessel data.

We struck-up a conversation when I was complaining about spotty, inconsistent responses. I asked why I get such a low success rate with the DSC test call, yet my VHF range with regular transmissions is predictable. This was a while ago, so I my imagination may have filled-in some blanks, but they said that each receiving station has to maintain their own system (Rescue 21?), and it often requires manual intervention.

Thank you for sharing that conversation. That is discerning at best and wonder why they don't have that info available to them. I mean this system has been in place well over 20 yrs already, you would think it would be so slick by now it's old hat. Very disappointing indeed.
 

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