Boat Guy
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- May 15, 2013
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- CAT 3116s
Guys, did I not post my experience with replacing my Turbos on the 3116?
I've done a search and can't find what I thought I wrote. Perhaps I intended to do a write up but never did it. Sometimes that's the problem with these mega boat specific threads...
I've just been reading about some of you with turbo issues and possible replacements and I was going to refer you to my post, but I don't see it....
So, if I'm repeating myself I'll delete this...If not, perhaps this will help some of you....
Years back I was faced with aging turbos that didn't freewheel very well and I was certain was causing power issues. I was able to inspect by removing the filter and using my fingers to spin the blades. On my turbos, one was spinning but required a fair amount of force to rotate the blades....
So, a solution was needed....As I understand it, you have four options. All of which I considered....
1. Get your turbos rebuilt - There are, apparently, good shops that, if your housing is in good shape, can rebuild your turbo. Couldn't tell you about the turn around time, but I think I was quoted about a week or so....Who knows in today's market....A few years ago, (Doing this by memory) I was quoted $700/each approx. if they could be worked.
2. Buy new From Cat - This was probably my first consideration as I just wanted to be sure that I was buying something new and dependable. I just felt, personally, I wouldn't be as confident with remans.... I was quoted $2950 /each ... But, here was the kicker... They didn't have any new turbos at the time anywhere and were not sure when they might be available. So I was being sold on the remans...
3. Buy Remans from Cat - If you want Cat parts and want to save a bit, this might be your option. I was quoted $2177 / each, at the time....
4. Buy aftermarket new --- Now --- This option comes with an asterisks --- Decide for yourself --- I'm not taking any responsibility --- That said, since I wasn't too happy with any of the three options above, I decided to investigate and see if I could find the cross reference for the turbo. I mean, I was pretty certain Cat didn't actually make the turbo. They buy it and slap their part number on it....With some pretty heavy research I was able to cross-ref to a particular brand that was bought out by Borg-Warner. I actually spoke with a rep there, years ago, and he confirmed, (his words) no difference in the part I believe it was called an S300... So I went on the hunt to find a reputable dealer and get confirmation... I did, and was quoted $1150/ each for a new marine 3116 turbo....
I went with option 4, and have not had an issue. They do not come painted, so you need to decide if that's something you want to take on....
2018' ish part numbers & prices below:
Rebuild : $ 800/ ish (maybe)
CAT Reman PN: 10R9769 Price: $2177
CAT New PN: 1574386 Price: $2943 (Unavil at the time)
Borg Warner New PN: 179-588 Price: $1150 (unpainted)
So, for me, there was a no choice...Either wait til forever for Cat to let me know when the new ones were in stock and pay about $7k for the parts new, or get them when I needed them both, all in, for $2300 shipped...
I'm not posting the name of the dealer I used because I'm hearing some chatter about CAT restricting and controlling the part. I don't want to get involved with this potential monopolistic behavior and get the dealer or BW in trouble..Perhaps someone can school me on this...
Aloha....
I've done a search and can't find what I thought I wrote. Perhaps I intended to do a write up but never did it. Sometimes that's the problem with these mega boat specific threads...
I've just been reading about some of you with turbo issues and possible replacements and I was going to refer you to my post, but I don't see it....
So, if I'm repeating myself I'll delete this...If not, perhaps this will help some of you....
Years back I was faced with aging turbos that didn't freewheel very well and I was certain was causing power issues. I was able to inspect by removing the filter and using my fingers to spin the blades. On my turbos, one was spinning but required a fair amount of force to rotate the blades....
So, a solution was needed....As I understand it, you have four options. All of which I considered....
1. Get your turbos rebuilt - There are, apparently, good shops that, if your housing is in good shape, can rebuild your turbo. Couldn't tell you about the turn around time, but I think I was quoted about a week or so....Who knows in today's market....A few years ago, (Doing this by memory) I was quoted $700/each approx. if they could be worked.
2. Buy new From Cat - This was probably my first consideration as I just wanted to be sure that I was buying something new and dependable. I just felt, personally, I wouldn't be as confident with remans.... I was quoted $2950 /each ... But, here was the kicker... They didn't have any new turbos at the time anywhere and were not sure when they might be available. So I was being sold on the remans...
3. Buy Remans from Cat - If you want Cat parts and want to save a bit, this might be your option. I was quoted $2177 / each, at the time....
4. Buy aftermarket new --- Now --- This option comes with an asterisks --- Decide for yourself --- I'm not taking any responsibility --- That said, since I wasn't too happy with any of the three options above, I decided to investigate and see if I could find the cross reference for the turbo. I mean, I was pretty certain Cat didn't actually make the turbo. They buy it and slap their part number on it....With some pretty heavy research I was able to cross-ref to a particular brand that was bought out by Borg-Warner. I actually spoke with a rep there, years ago, and he confirmed, (his words) no difference in the part I believe it was called an S300... So I went on the hunt to find a reputable dealer and get confirmation... I did, and was quoted $1150/ each for a new marine 3116 turbo....
I went with option 4, and have not had an issue. They do not come painted, so you need to decide if that's something you want to take on....
2018' ish part numbers & prices below:
Rebuild : $ 800/ ish (maybe)
CAT Reman PN: 10R9769 Price: $2177
CAT New PN: 1574386 Price: $2943 (Unavil at the time)
Borg Warner New PN: 179-588 Price: $1150 (unpainted)
So, for me, there was a no choice...Either wait til forever for Cat to let me know when the new ones were in stock and pay about $7k for the parts new, or get them when I needed them both, all in, for $2300 shipped...
I'm not posting the name of the dealer I used because I'm hearing some chatter about CAT restricting and controlling the part. I don't want to get involved with this potential monopolistic behavior and get the dealer or BW in trouble..Perhaps someone can school me on this...
Aloha....
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