Caring for Blue/Purple Hulls

Dave S

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When people give advice to others on how to care for their gelcoat, even though that advice may be well proven on certain color hulls, some of it can prove to provide less than satisfactory results on the Blue Purple gelcoats Sea Ray used on 2005, 2006 and 2007 hulls. In a recent posting where one of our members was looking at a used DA with a scratched blue hull, some of the advice given will not work properly. So I thought I would post what I have learned over the last 18 months with my Blue Purple hull and what I have seen at our Marina on other hulls of the same color.

I will not call myself an expert but I have made it a point to learn as much as I can and I have seen first hand what works and what doesn't with this color on my boat and on several others as well. The thing that makes this color so difficult to deal with is the fact that it looks different in different lighting conditions. And when it comes time for gelcoat work, that can prove challenging unless your fiberglass repair shop knows what they are doing. Frank Webster has mentioned his dealer orders a can of gelcoat by HIN number for each and every repair because that's the only way they found it will match properly. So be sure your own shop is knowledgeable about the quirks of this color before you let them proceed and obviously, you want to avoid a repair if at all possible.

But properly caring for your Blue Purple hull is just as important. And following some of the "time tested" methods that work on a white hull can damage your Blue/Purple hull. For example, if you have to wet sand the blue hull to remove a scratch, try not to use anything more aggressive than 1200 grit if at all possible and sand as lightly as possible and then follow that up with 2000 grit and finally some polishing compound. This is why you need to be carefull.............here is a spot on my boat that required sanding and this is what it looked like under a halogen light. The dealer did this and quite frankly I think they were too aggressive when they sanded.

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I am not sure why this color variation exists but it is not visible under normal sunlight or daylight as is evidenced by this picture.

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So be careful when you wet sand!! I have since wet sanded a number of other areas myself to remove minor scratches and I did it the way I mentioned above and did not have the same color variation issue as the picture above when I was done.

Next, if you use a rotary buffer on one of these hulls never use a wool bonnet! They will leave your hull full of swirl marks. Only use a foam pad on a Blue Purple hull when using a rotary polisher. Again, people find this out the hard way and then they have to compound the entire hull to get rid of the swirl marks. I have seen at least three hulls that suffered this fate. Interestingly enough you can use a wool pad with an Orbital buffer if necessary and not have swirls marks but I suggest you use a foam pad.

Next, the Blue Purple hull will look hazy under a halogen light or in certain direct lighting situations such as in the fall when the sun is low in the sky. You can't do anything about this. I have tried everything possible in the way of wet sanding, polishing, and buffing and nothing works. Having said that the hulls look very nice under most other lighting conditions as is evidenced by this photo. Although I don't have a picture of it this same area looks hazy (or cloudy) under a Halogen light.

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As far as normal care of the blue hull goes, this is what I found works best for me after trying a myriad of products. I am not saying that other products aren't just as good because some are. I have an alternative product I use on occasion as well that I purchased from Proper Boat Care made by Gel Coat Labs. But Meguairs Flagship Wax has done the best job I found so far. It contains some mild polishing agents so when you apply it with an orbital buffer and a foam pad it will eliminate any minor scratches and water spotting on the hull. I typically apply the first coat with the Porter Cable Orbital and then wipe it off with a cotton towel and apply a second coat by hand and wipe it off (the second coat only takes about a half hour to apply and wipe off if you are thinking this is too much work :grin:). This "wax" is really a polymer so it bonds to the gelcoat and will provide many months of protection. If you want to keep your hull nice and shiny, polish it a couple of times a year.

What about the occasional scratch you may get? Well you can wet sand it but I prefer to try compounding (by hand) first to see it that will take care of it. I use Mothers Mag and Aluminum polish because it seems to contain just the right amount of polishing compound to get the job done. Just remember this......whatever polish or compound you use only do a straight back and forth motion over the scratch or you will not like your results.
 
Dave this is a great post indeed!! Thank you for taking the time to write this up. The black hull does not seem to exhibit quite as many "weird" characteristics but everything you mention applies to the black hull as well.
 
I'm trying to figure out what I should use as compound, I have both 3M Heavy and "Color restorer" I have the white hull, but need to figure out a good middle "in between" product from the compound to a polish. I've been a big fan of SeaPower as a wax, and Starbrite as a polish.

Do you or Jeremy recommend Any "in between" products or should I just go straight to Polish? I have the Different steps in pads too.
 
The Meguair' Flagship negates the need for a separate "polish". The only time you need a separate polish is if some specific areas of your gelcoat have dulled a bit.

Dave I was in your corner until you dropped this "bomb".
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There certainly is not a "need" for polish... but if you want your boat to look the best it can I would highly recommend it. The diminishing abbrassives in Flagship wax is significantly less than say a #45 polish.... the depth a polish can create is simply amazing.

I will do a side my side this weekend and post the results. Wax is a protectant primarily.... they may have added some cleaners to do a decent job of removing the very light surface "stuff". To get amazing shine..... a polish is your friend.
 
When people give advice to others on how to care for their gelcoat, even though that advice may be well proven on certain color hulls, some of it can prove to provide less than satisfactory results on the Blue Purple gelcoats Sea Ray used on 2005, 2006 and 2007 hulls. In a recent posting where one of our members was looking at a used DA with a scratched blue hull, some of the advice given will not work properly. So I thought I would post what I have learned over the last 18 months with my Blue Purple hull and what I have seen at our Marina on other hulls of the same color.

I will not call myself an expert but I have made it a point to learn as much as I can and I have seen first hand what works and what doesn't with this color on my boat and on several others as well. The thing that makes this color so difficult to deal with is the fact that it looks different in different lighting conditions. And when it comes time for gelcoat work, that can prove challenging unless your fiberglass repair shop knows what they are doing. Frank Webster has mentioned his dealer orders a can of gelcoat by HIN number for each and every repair because that's the only way they found it will match properly. So be sure your own shop is knowledgeable about the quirks of this color before you let them proceed and obviously, you want to avoid a repair if at all possible.

But properly caring for your Blue Purple hull is just as important. And following some of the "time tested" methods that work on a white hull can damage your Blue/Purple hull. For example, if you have to wet sand the blue hull to remove a scratch, try not to use anything more aggressive than 1200 grit if at all possible and sand as lightly as possible and then follow that up with 2000 grit and finally some polishing compound. This is why you need to be carefull.............here is a spot on my boat that required sanding and this is what it looked like under a halogen light. The dealer did this and quite frankly I think they were too aggressive when they sanded.

DSC03054.jpg


I am not sure why this color variation exists but it is not visible under normal sunlight or daylight as is evidenced by this picture.

DSC03057.jpg


So be careful when you wet sand!! I have since wet sanded a number of other areas myself to remove minor scratches and I did it the way I mentioned above and did not have the same color variation issue as the picture above when I was done.

Next, if you use a rotary buffer on one of these hulls never use a wool bonnet! They will leave your hull full of swirl marks. Only use a foam pad on a Blue Purple hull when using a rotary polisher. Again, people find this out the hard way and then they have to compound the entire hull to get rid of the swirl marks. I have seen at least three hulls that suffered this fate. Interestingly enough you can use a wool pad with an Orbital buffer if necessary and not have swirls marks but I suggest you use a foam pad.

Next, the Blue Purple hull will look hazy under a halogen light or in certain direct lighting situations such as in the fall when the sun is low in the sky. You can't do anything about this. I have tried everything possible in the way of wet sanding, polishing, and buffing and nothing works. Having said that the hulls look very nice under most other lighting conditions as is evidenced by this photo. Although I don't have a picture of it this same area looks hazy (or cloudy) under a Halogen light.

DSC03384.jpg


As far as normal care of the blue hull goes, this is what I found works best for me after trying a myriad of products. I am not saying that other products aren't just as good because some are. I have an alternative product I use on occasion as well that I purchased from Proper Boat Care made by Gel Coat Labs. But Meguairs Flagship Wax has done the best job I found so far. It contains some mild polishing agents so when you apply it with an orbital buffer and a foam pad it will eliminate any minor scratches and water spotting on the hull. I typically apply the first coat with the Porter Cable Orbital and then wipe it off with a cotton towel and apply a second coat by hand and wipe it off (the second coat only takes about a half hour to apply and wipe off if you are thinking this is too much work :grin:). This "wax" is really a polymer so it bonds to the gelcoat and will provide many months of protection. If you want to keep your hull nice and shiny, polish it a couple of times a year.

What about the occasional scratch you may get? Well you can wet sand it but I prefer to try compounding (by hand) first to see it that will take care of it. I use Mothers Mag and Aluminum polish because it seems to contain just the right amount of polishing compound to get the job done. Just remember this......whatever polish or compound you use only do a straight back and forth motion over the scratch or you will not like your results.

Thanks for the info. We have a 2008 SR 38 with Navy Blue hull so this is important. I can see the skuff marks from the fenders which probably wouldn't show up on a white hull.

We don't have any waxing/polishing products yet other than for our cars. You mentioned a Porter Cable Orbital and foam pads, could you tell us what model # and cost and where to purchase. Also, what do you do about the non-skid decks?

Thanks,

Mike
 
.......We don't have any waxing/polishing products yet other than for our cars. You mentioned a Porter Cable Orbital and foam pads, could you tell us what model # and cost and where to purchase. Also, what do you do about the non-skid decks?

Thanks,

Mike

Mike
I know Jeremy uses a different brand of pads than the Orange White and Red ones I bought at properboatcare.com, but I bought my PC7424 from Tools-plus.com for $89(now it's $99)+ $7 shipping and I am completely satisfied.
 
I would not get hung up on the brand of pads .... just find one you like and use it often. Same pads I use for boat also work very well for the detail on our vehicles.
 
Two things:

Wool is much more abrasive than foam, which is why it produces swirls. Random orbits don't cut as much in the same direction, so they don't show the swirls as much.

What does that spot look like viewed though polarized light? If you have a polarizing filter for your camera, it would be useful to see the differences in color tone with vertically vs. horizontally polarized light and unpolarized. I think that might be a factor in what you're seeing.

Best regards,
Frank
 
Two things:

Wool is much more abrasive than foam, which is why it produces swirls. Random orbits don't cut as much in the same direction, so they don't show the swirls as much.

What does that spot look like viewed though polarized light? If you have a polarizing filter for your camera, it would be useful to see the differences in color tone with vertically vs. horizontally polarized light and unpolarized. I think that might be a factor in what you're seeing.

Best regards,
Frank

But who's seeing that on the water anyway???:huh: C'mon, I'd be enjoying a cold one and enjoying the scenery!!!:thumbsup: And the scenery would not include your boat!:grin:
 
Great write up Dave. Just wondering, was the 260DA in 2004 the same blue/purple color you mention or something different?
 
What about the blue gelcoat on the 2008 models? Are there no similar problems with it?

Dennis
 
I am not sure why this color variation exists but it is not visible under normal sunlight or daylight as is evidenced by this picture.

The color variation is caused by the sanding. The abrasive action creates heat which can actually chemically change the nature or characteristics, such as hardness, color and appearance of the gelcoat finish. This can also be achieved by buffing one area a lot longer than others, hence the “burning” some others have referred to. This of course shows up much more on the blue hull. This will also occur on the white hulls, but is not as noticeable because it may only look like a slightly lighter or darker shade of white.
 
Dave,
This is a great post-thank you for taking the time. My wife and I have been looking at a Dealer leftover 52 DB with MANs and the blue hull. It is a beautiful boat-but I cannot imagine having to apply the regimen you have described to 52 feet of fiberglass.
We were in a transient slip at Solomons Island, Maryland, last fall next to an 05 52 Sundancer with the blue hull. We had all endured two hours of 4-5 foot chop coming up the bay-salt spray flying over the readar arch sort of running. I hosed off the 420 and we were good to go. The blue hulled 52 did not get after the fresh water wash down immediately and the boat looked like a giant salt lick the next morning.
I guess I just lack the energy to maintain a big colored hull-and the boys, at 6 and 3, are not Porter-Cable capable yet!

great post again

regards
Skip
 
Great post Dave. Very informative. I'm tired just reading it more or less doing it.

I'm with Skip. Just to much boat to work on like that in a short weekend.
White hulls, black canvas-color you can get from the pillows in the cockpit.

But again very informative to thoses with the Blue/Purple hulls.

Rich
 
I would not get hung up on the brand of pads .... just find one you like and use it often. Same pads I use for boat also work very well for the detail on our vehicles.

Jeremy...What speed are you running your PC at? Do you use the same speed removing the wax with your bonnets?
 
Thanks for the info. We have a 2008 SR 38 with Navy Blue hull so this is important. I can see the skuff marks from the fenders which probably wouldn't show up on a white hull.

We don't have any waxing/polishing products yet other than for our cars. You mentioned a Porter Cable Orbital and foam pads, could you tell us what model # and cost and where to purchase. Also, what do you do about the non-skid decks?

Thanks,

Mike

Mike

I think the other folks have answered your questions except for the non-skid. But if not shoot me a PM and I will get back to you with a list of what I use and where I purchased it. Incidentally on the non-skid there are two large postings you should be able to find using "search" where we beat that subject to death.



Two things:

Wool is much more abrasive than foam, which is why it produces swirls. Random orbits don't cut as much in the same direction, so they don't show the swirls as much.

What does that spot look like viewed though polarized light? If you have a polarizing filter for your camera, it would be useful to see the differences in color tone with vertically vs. horizontally polarized light and unpolarized. I think that might be a factor in what you're seeing.

Best regards,
Frank

Frank

I haven't looked at this area thru polarized light and I don't have a filter for my camera. I have a theory as to why this is happening though. I believe this particular gel-coat is Translucent to some degree and is something like the paint equivalent of a metal flake So maybe some color component is not uniform through out it's thickness.......but it's just a theory.



Great write up Dave. Just wondering, was the 260DA in 2004 the same blue/purple color you mention or something different?

Brian

The 2004 and prior Blue were a different formulation and I have been told by my fiberglass folks was a lot more forgiving.




What about the blue gelcoat on the 2008 models? Are there no similar problems with it?

Dennis

The 2008 models use a different blue as well. It's more like what they used in 2004 and prior.



The color variation is caused by the sanding. The abrasive action creates heat which can actually chemically change the nature or characteristics, such as hardness, color and appearance of the gelcoat finish. This can also be achieved by buffing one area a lot longer than others, hence the “burning” some others have referred to. This of course shows up much more on the blue hull. This will also occur on the white hulls, but is not as noticeable because it may only look like a slightly lighter or darker shade of white.

Jim

The sanding we are talking about here is wet sanding and it's done by hand as was the final application of a polishing compound. I question whether wet sanding could generate enough heat to create the discoloration. It looks more like you have sanded thru one color and got down to another. I think it's just one of the crazy properties of this particular color. What other gelcoat can you think of actually changes color in different light conditions?
 
I do not believe your color variation was caused by sanding. I think it was caused by touch up gel coat being applied that is not the same color. Theoretically colored gel coat is solid in color and when applied is being put on as a coating that should be the same color all the way through its thickness. It looks like you may have had a scratch there and the dealer opted to scuff the area, apply gel coat over the top of the scratch and then sand and buff out rather than trying to sand a scratch that may have been too deep risking sanding through your original gelcoat.
It is amazing the different hues of blue there was and the way that color changes in different lighting conditions. Love the color but wouldn't want to care for it.
 

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