BP oil spill syndrome class action lawsuit

Ok we all know BP is to blame and should pay but there has been other countries that wanted to come in with skimmers to help but the Gov. has said no, Louisiana wanted to put sand dikes in to protect the wetlands the Gov. said no they needed a permit and the Gov. drug thier feet, there has been numerous people come forward with ideas for the clean up the Gov. said no so who is at fault on the spill being so big, An inactive Gov. with a President that doesn’t give a ****. I think you will start seeing Shrimp, Clams, Oysters and fish start coming in from China any bets?
Oh and by the way did you know that ¾ of BP’s Political fund went to Noboma?
 
Daddubo said:
Ok we all know BP is to blame and should pay but there has been other countries that wanted to come in with skimmers to help but the Gov. has said no,
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I heard something similar yesterday at the barber shop. The guy in the chair next to me said that the US UNIONS blocked other countries from coming in to help. He said that when Saddam Hussein dumped all that oil in the Persian Gulf multiple countries particiapted in the clean up, but they were blocked from helping here. I don't know if that was a true statement, but it wouldnt surprize me.
 
BP bought 32 of Kevin Costner's oil cleanup thingy's.
 
Oh, and they're dragging their heels because they want to "seize the opportunity to make the switch to clean energy", at least that's the words out of his mouth. they want to make oil look so bad that there won't be an argument for windmills in everyones yard.
 
For me these questions are not just interesting and theoretical. I live 1 mile from the water in Navarre, Florida, which is midway between Pensacola and Destin.
I boat on the intracoastal waterway between those two cities. The passes leading out to the ocean are now closed at Perdido and Pensacola. We expect East Pass in Destin to close soon.
The booms have not kept sheen, tar balls and tar mats from the area I boat in.
Progressive sent me notification that damage from the oil is not covered under their policy. So I will not be able to use my boat for much longer.
Our local assessors are requesting to reduce our home values now to lower our property tax in advance.
Experts have predicted a 20 percent loss in home value in my area, not to mention a loss of the way of life.
I am a retired marine, served 20 years, so a tree hugger I am not. I want to drill for oil everwhere we can so we can be less dependent on foreign sources. I am lucky in that my job will not be affected by the oil, but many more people in the area will be. I just think we need to have better risk management and threat mitigation in place.
There is no industry here, the military has a great impact and outside of that it is tourism based.
So who pays me?
Who pays me for the loss of use of my boat?
Who pays me when my home value plunges?
I didnt do anything wrong yet my lifestyle will be greatly impacted, so who takes care of those of us who are going to be hurt by this. Personally I think the fault lies with BP. You can argue about regulation etc but if you let me drill then I met the rules you had in place at the time so I am liable for the damages.
I am following things very closely and I am concerned about the ability to stop the flow of oil, there are now engineers, scientists etc saying the breach is below the seabed and it cant be stopped. Our own Florida Senator Bill Nelson has been here and expressed that view on the local news.
So the president can talk all he wants, stop the leak, worry about blame later and if we have to, carry the folks whose lives have been destroyed by this leak.
 
The Jones Act prohibits foreign help to clean up spill.. can you say unions again.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (P.L. 66-261) is a United States Federal statute that regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports.
Section 27, also known as the Jones Act, deals with cabotage (i.e., coastal shipping) and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents. The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry, but agricultural interests generally oppose it because, they contend, it raises the cost of shipping their goods, making them less competitive with foreign sources. [1] Furthermore, its establishment is de facto protectionism and a union-oriented legislature.
In addition, amendments to the Jones Act, known as the Cargo Preference Act (P.L. 83-644), provide permanent legislation for the transportation of waterborne cargoes in U.S.-flag vessels.
 
This started as a scew-up by BP, no question. But Obama has elevated this to a personal grandstanding event to the point of nausea. No question Obama needs an event to boost his plumetting popularity. But this one rings very hollow. I am in the UK on vacation and he looks very bad from this side of the pond.
 
Gettin' There II said:
For me these questions are not just interesting and theoretical. I live 1 mile from the water in Navarre, Florida, which is midway between Pensacola and Destin.
I boat on the intracoastal waterway between those two cities. The passes leading out to the ocean are now closed at Perdido and Pensacola. We expect East Pass in Destin to close soon.
The booms have not kept sheen, tar balls and tar mats from the area I boat in.
Progressive sent me notification that damage from the oil is not covered under their policy. So I will not be able to use my boat for much longer.
Our local assessors are requesting to reduce our home values now to lower our property tax in advance.
Experts have predicted a 20 percent loss in home value in my area, not to mention a loss of the way of life.
I am a retired marine, served 20 years, so a tree hugger I am not. I want to drill for oil everwhere we can so we can be less dependent on foreign sources. I am lucky in that my job will not be affected by the oil, but many more people in the area will be. I just think we need to have better risk management and threat mitigation in place.
There is no industry here, the military has a great impact and outside of that it is tourism based.
So who pays me?
Who pays me for the loss of use of my boat?
Who pays me when my home value plunges?
I didnt do anything wrong yet my lifestyle will be greatly impacted, so who takes care of those of us who are going to be hurt by this. Personally I think the fault lies with BP. You can argue about regulation etc but if you let me drill then I met the rules you had in place at the time so I am liable for the damages.
I am following things very closely and I am concerned about the ability to stop the flow of oil, there are now engineers, scientists etc saying the breach is below the seabed and it cant be stopped. Our own Florida Senator Bill Nelson has been here and expressed that view on the local news.
So the president can talk all he wants, stop the leak, worry about blame later and if we have to, carry the folks whose lives have been destroyed by this leak.
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I wonder if anyone has (yet) successfully filed a claim against BP to relocate a boat...
 
Gettin' There II said:
For me these questions are not just interesting and theoretical. I live 1 mile from the water in Navarre, Florida, which is midway between Pensacola and Destin.
I boat on the intracoastal waterway between those two cities. The passes leading out to the ocean are now closed at Perdido and Pensacola. We expect East Pass in Destin to close soon.
The booms have not kept sheen, tar balls and tar mats from the area I boat in.
Progressive sent me notification that damage from the oil is not covered under their policy. So I will not be able to use my boat for much longer.
Our local assessors are requesting to reduce our home values now to lower our property tax in advance.
Experts have predicted a 20 percent loss in home value in my area, not to mention a loss of the way of life.
I am a retired marine, served 20 years, so a tree hugger I am not. I want to drill for oil everwhere we can so we can be less dependent on foreign sources. I am lucky in that my job will not be affected by the oil, but many more people in the area will be. I just think we need to have better risk management and threat mitigation in place.
There is no industry here, the military has a great impact and outside of that it is tourism based.
So who pays me?
Who pays me for the loss of use of my boat?
Who pays me when my home value plunges?
I didnt do anything wrong yet my lifestyle will be greatly impacted, so who takes care of those of us who are going to be hurt by this. Personally I think the fault lies with BP. You can argue about regulation etc but if you let me drill then I met the rules you had in place at the time so I am liable for the damages.
I am following things very closely and I am concerned about the ability to stop the flow of oil, there are now engineers, scientists etc saying the breach is below the seabed and it cant be stopped. Our own Florida Senator Bill Nelson has been here and expressed that view on the local news.
So the president can talk all he wants, stop the leak, worry about blame later and if we have to, carry the folks whose lives have been destroyed by this leak.
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Exactly.

I spoke to the broker handling the sale of my boat yesterday. He said there's been a tremendous drop-off in activity since the spill.

I live on the water, if the oil makes it here there will be far bigger problems.
Should BP pay for the fact that boat buyers have largely left the market here, concerned that if they buy a boat they may not be able to use it? Damn straight... but good luck quantifying that in a lawsuit.

If it gets to a point where I could not use my boat, you bet I'll join a lawsuit (and I'm sure there will be plenty of them) against BP.

$20B is going to be a drop in the bucket when all is said and done. That won't even cover the fines and environmental impact. The economic losses from everyone that lives or owns property near the Gulf coast will dwarf that number. BP will not survive this IF they pay what they owe.
 
If we cut their corporate tax rate, make it easier for them to do business, and have them give us some stock as collateral, they might actually continue to be profitable and repay what they owe.

BUT... The Dems are running the show, so they will sue, fine, penalize, and increase their taxes. BP will declare bankrupcy and everyone in the region ("the small people")is going to be left holding the bag. Sorry... Carnac the Magnificent is sitting behind me dictating...
 
tobnpr said:
Exactly.

I spoke to the broker handling the sale of my boat yesterday. He said there's been a tremendous drop-off in activity since the spill.

I live on the water, if the oil makes it here there will be far bigger problems.
Should BP pay for the fact that boat buyers have largely left the market here, concerned that if they buy a boat they may not be able to use it? Damn straight... but good luck quantifying that in a lawsuit.

If it gets to a point where I could not use my boat, you bet I'll join a lawsuit (and I'm sure there will be plenty of them) against BP.

$20B is going to be a drop in the bucket when all is said and done. That won't even cover the fines and environmental impact. The economic losses from everyone that lives or owns property near the Gulf coast will dwarf that number. BP will not survive this IF they pay what they owe.
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If/When this oil rounds the tip of FL and heads up the east coast... the damages will escalate to unheard of amounts. I already have plan B in place if this happens. I'm going to load my boat and ship it to Greece. Boat over there for a few years.
 
skibum said:
If we cut their corporate tax rate, make it easier for them to do business, and have them give us some stock as collateral, they might actually continue to be profitable and repay what they owe.
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Wait. . . .so if a British company through bad planning (well failure contingencies) is running into solvency problems, it is OK to take stock in the company and bail them out, but if an American company through bad planning (GM building cars that no-one wants) it is NOT ok to take stock in the company and bail them out?

:grin:
 
I didn't say BUY stock, I said take some as collateral. GM didn't give us collateral. They just took a handout - twice. Then, they used the 2nd handout to "pay off" the first to boot. I am not for giving BP anything. But in general, it is in our own interest to keep them profitable. They can't pay us back if they don't exist. Companies exist for a sole purpose - to make a profit by providing a good or a service. When they cease to make a profit, they cease to exist. Companies are not an inanimate objects, they are groups of people, associated by their own desire to achieve that same goal. People get upset with the 50 or so people that make the high level decisions, then penalize the company or industry and end up hurting the 250,000 "regular" people who work for that company or industry in the process.

My only point was that if our Government drives them out of business, then everyone will suffer the consequences. I assume that we want for BP to exist as an entity for at least as long as it takes for them to pay for all of the damages, which they should.

I am not defending them, but I don't want the Government to screw US because they are mad at BP. Companies don't pay taxes, fines, fees, or expenses, customers do.

comsnark said:
(GM building cars that no-one wants)
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Oh... you mean all of those SUVs and trucks that they couldn't build fast enough before government policies artificially put gas prices over the top and killed that industry? You might remember that since it hit the boating industry as well. They built cars that liberals didn't want, not the regular people who loved them... :grin:
 
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skibum said:
Then, they used the 2nd handout to "pay off" the first to boot.
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How do you "payoff" a "handout"? :grin:

You are funny!

skibum said:
... before government policies artificially put gas prices over the top and killed that industry?
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OK. . . I lost track. . .which policies in particular are we talking about here?

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I must admit. . .I enjoy our little debates!
 
Have you seen the "Local BP People" commercials, explaining how the gas stations, delivery drivers are local people and not part of BP Corporate? Between radio and television it is a bombardment. What really struck me up here in Thomasville was the sudden drop in prices at the pump. BP Stations have always lead in price, their price $2.50 gallon while the independents were $2.48 or lower...Yesterday I drive by and wow! They are the cheaper price and still very few cars at the pumps. :huh:
 
STIHLBOLTS said:
Have you seen the "Local BP People" commercials, explaining how the gas stations, delivery drivers are local people and not part of BP Corporate? Between radio and television it is a bombardment. What really struck me up here in Thomasville was the sudden drop in prices at the pump. BP Stations have always lead in price, their price $2.50 gallon while the independents were $2.48 or lower...Yesterday I drive by and wow! They are the cheaper price and still very few cars at the pumps. :huh:
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We are still getting screwed in the Chicago area N/W Indiana has 5 refineries (Shell, BP, Shell, Phillips and a independent)and Blue Island IL. has one (Clark) and we are one of the highest priced in the Country at $2.88 out of Cook County and $3.00 + in Cook County and $4.00 at the dock. In the town I buy gas every station is the same price (local price fixing?) I don't get it.
 
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