Best options for replacing Chartplotter/Smartcraft sc5000

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  1. Rbmedic75

    Rbmedic75 New Member

    15
    Jul 31, 2019
    2005 Amberjack 290
    5.0 MPI w/Bravo III
    As the title states, what are the best options out there for replacing my c80 and sc500. Not to go cheap but don't want to spend all the fishing fund either. I've seen lots of people going Garmin and integrating (merc gateway) to view the engine parameters as well. Is the garmin able to then show you all the same features that the SC 5000 did? If not what's missing? are there better options.

    Which model is the favored Garmin currently
     
  2. JimG

    JimG Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2008
    Southern WV
    2007 310 DA
    Kohler 5ECD
    Twin 350 Mags
    Raw Water Cooled
    V-Drives
  3. Rbmedic75

    Rbmedic75 New Member

    15
    Jul 31, 2019
    2005 Amberjack 290
    5.0 MPI w/Bravo III
    Thank you sir. This is our first boat so I’m sure I’ll be sorting, searching, reading, learning and asking lots of questions.
     
  4. KevinC

    KevinC Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    Many options if you have smartcraft. With a smartcraft gateway to nema2000 most newer MFDs have the ability to show engine data. I know my Raymarine Axioms have several screens available and customizable for engine data.

    -Kevin
     
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  5. Cocktail Time

    Cocktail Time Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    752
    Jul 9, 2007
    Lake Lanier, GA
    1998 400 Sundancer, Garmin 840xs GPS, Furuno RDP-110, B&G GPS pilot etc.
    Cat 3116's, Westerbeke 7.6kw
    If your sc5000 still works, there are several people on her who would buy it. +1 on using nmea2000 to send smartcraft data to your new MFD. The owner of this site has some great deals www.boemarine.com and can help with selecting equipment. Welcome aboard! Dan
     
  6. Rbmedic75

    Rbmedic75 New Member

    15
    Jul 31, 2019
    2005 Amberjack 290
    5.0 MPI w/Bravo III
    Thank you.. Ill look into boemarine, always prefer to support those that support us in return..
     
  7. Team PCBeach

    Team PCBeach Member

    104
    Oct 12, 2010
    360 Sundancer, 2003
    Twin 8.1L Horizon
    Just did this on our 2003 360 Sundancer. We went with Lowrance displays because I had a Simrad 3G radar I was moving from another boat and it needed to work. Because of the radar I was limited to Simrad, B&G or Lowrance. For size I was limited to 9" display as that is all the room there is on the 360DA. My 1st choice would have been Simrad since that is what our old boat had, but the Simrad and B&G 9" have a slightly larger screen bezel and it would not fit. Also our c80 had been replaced by the previous owner with an older Lowrance so I could also reuse the installed transducer. We ended up with a Lowrance Carbon 9" in place of the c80, a Lowrance Carbon 7" in place of the SC5000 and added Vessel View Link to get all the SmartCraft data on NMEA2000. I also had the 3G radar installed on the arch at the same time. I decided not to tackle this and just had my marina do it. Total install including the two displays and vessel view link was right at $7K. The increase in usability now having dual modern non-glare MFDs with the radar was significant and we feel like this was a good investment. We have quick easy access to all engine data via the NMEA 2000.
     
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  8. outobie

    outobie Member

    33
    Apr 26, 2019
    2006 340 DA Sportsman
    87 Tiara 270...For Sale
    8.1 Horizon Vdrive,
    Twin Mercruiser 5.7 alpha 1 gen2
    Do you have all the vessel view data as well like tankage for fuel and water, rudder angle, etc?
     
  9. Team PCBeach

    Team PCBeach Member

    104
    Oct 12, 2010
    360 Sundancer, 2003
    Twin 8.1L Horizon
    Yes, I will take a photo next time I am at the boat. I don't even really look at the Vessel View screens since all the data is available for me to build custom screens. Any alarms with pop up as an overlay on both displays.

    My standard driving screen is 3 rows of data.
    Digital: Port RPM - Speed - STBD RPM
    Analog: Compass - Rudder Angle - Fuel Remaining
    Digital: Date/Time - Depth - Position

    As our boat is still pretty new to us we also have a screen to look at fuel use at different speeds. It shows, RPM, Speed, Gal/hour, MPG, range at current gal/hour etc.
     
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  10. Team PCBeach

    Team PCBeach Member

    104
    Oct 12, 2010
    360 Sundancer, 2003
    Twin 8.1L Horizon
    1-20190808_161254 - Copy.jpg 2-20190808_161300 - Copy.jpg 3-20190808_161316 - Copy.jpg 4-20190808_161337 - Copy.jpg Not great photos and the engines were not running but here is a shot of the install and a couple of screens on our 2003 360 Sundancer.
     
  11. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    Am I correct in assuming from your pictures that the fuel tank capacity in gallons can be configured for each tank?

    Can this display choose data sources to use when multiple are available?

    H
     
  12. Team PCBeach

    Team PCBeach Member

    104
    Oct 12, 2010
    360 Sundancer, 2003
    Twin 8.1L Horizon
    @Henry Boyd I am not sure about configuring each tank individually. I would have to look at that. Yes you can select your data source. For instance with the Lowrance 9 and 7, both output GPS to the NMEA bus. You select which one to use. Also you may have noticed in my display a third fuel tank reading empty. This was an issue with Vessel View Link that it was looking for 3 fuel tanks and the 360DA only has two. Vessel View throws an error that it can't read the third tank. There is a thread on CSR about adding a little jumper with a resister that fixes this problem.
     
  13. outobie

    outobie Member

    33
    Apr 26, 2019
    2006 340 DA Sportsman
    87 Tiara 270...For Sale
    8.1 Horizon Vdrive,
    Twin Mercruiser 5.7 alpha 1 gen2
    That looks great.

    I wonder if anyone has done the same with a Garmin setup?

    I’m leaning towards Garmin for the my 340 upgrade since there is room for a 10” and an 8” screen but Simrad/Laurence/B&G make 7”, 9” or 12”

    I’ve read that vessel view link works well with Simrad/Laurence/B&G but not with others.

    I spoke to BOE marine who told me simply “it should work since it’s NEMA 2000 but we don’t sell vessel view”
     
  14. Craig

    Craig Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    615
    Feb 8, 2007
    Maryland
    2006 320 Sundancer
    twin 350 Horizon V drives
    If you install a VV Link the smarcraft app will
    Appear on the home screen of Simrad Lowrance and B&G.
     
  15. alnav

    alnav Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    871
    Sep 16, 2009
    West River, MD
    40 MY
    QSB 425
    I have Garmin and it can definitely display Smartcraft data coming in over NMEA 2000. My data comes from a VesselView 4 so I don't routinely use the Garmin for engine displays.
    I think Garmin's capability is similar to RayMarine's. There is a set of three pre-defined screens that should populate using an auto-configure utility. Each screen can be customized and parameters can be shown as either digital or analog. Here's a picture of the first screen.
    IMG_0274.jpg

    I think it's true that only Navico (Simrad/Lowrance) plotters can provide the full set of Smartcraft data that a VesselView can display (they also make the current VesselView displays). Garmin/Raymarine can only show data that has a corresponding NMEA 2000 PGN and not all do. Garmin displays all operating parameters as well as alerts for high temps and such but I believe the underlying fault codes are J1939 and don't come in over NMEA.

    There is another option for a Smartcraft Gateway other than Mercury. Yacht Devices (yachtd.com) offers an engine gateway capable of converting Smartcraft to NMEA 2000; it also can convert Volvo, Yanmar, Rotax and J1939. I am using it for my generator data and was very impressed with their customer service and documentation compared to Mercury. It's also less expensive than the Mercury counterpart.
     
  16. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    Al,
    You said you get warning messages on the Garmin display. Are those the result of data being manipulated through rule you establish in the display, or they the actual error codes as described by j1939?

    I’m trying to replace the propriety display Volvo installed that is no longer serviceable or available. I’ve looked at the Volvo versions of 76 and 86 series as possibles, but Volvo keeps telling me these won’t work with my second generation EVC. And the generic Garmin won’t work, although I get engine data on my RM E120Ws.

    H
     
  17. alnav

    alnav Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    871
    Sep 16, 2009
    West River, MD
    40 MY
    QSB 425
    Henry, they are actually the engine status warnings specified in NMEA 2000. There are 24 discrete warnings defined; as you would expect, they're the biggies like low or high fuel/oil/coolant/voltage. General purpose MFD's are generally limited to displaying these as they can't read anything but standard NMEA 2000 data elements. The gateway makes the translation between J1939 and NMEA 2000; I believe any manipulation needs to be done there. There are hundreds of possible J1939 diagnostic codes, some proprietary to the manufacturer so total translation is difficult and most displays can't use the data anyway. I believe Volvo may be throwing a further wrench in the mix by using what they call the "Volcano" protocol which is a derivative of J1939, apparently similar to Mercury's Smartcraft, also a J1939 derivative.
    It seems to me you need to explore the available J1939 gateways. I would look at the Yacht Devices gateway I described in my above post as well as the Maretron J1939 gateway. I think either will provide the basics for display on any NMEA 2000 MFD. The Yacht Devices manual has a lot of discussion about Volvo conversion and they seem to have translated a large number of Volvo parameters; I'll PM you a copy.
     
  18. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    Thanks I read the yacht devices stuff. Given the existing NMEA 2000 network supports the existing Volvo display it would surprise me to find these things already installed.

    The volcano protocol is probably what’s built into the Volvo Garmin Glass Helm displays. But the Volvo dealer tells me that our version of EVC does not support Glass Helm.

    H
     
  19. pyro

    pyro Member

    83
    Dec 4, 2018
    2008 Sundancer 290
    Twin 5.0L MPI w/ Bravo III
    What are most people doing with depth sensor when switching MFD? Are you adding depth sounders, or somehow integrating existing systems in?
     
  20. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    Depends on what you have and what you want. Depth transducers have become somewhat generic to the extent of depth and water temp. You add a display with super duper sideways bounce and fish ID, you ay need something else. I made up the super duper sideways bounce thing, don’t fish so I haven’t a clue if it’s possible or not.

    If you can reuse stuff it does lower the bill and allow you to perhaps buy a better mfd than you could if you also buying a fish finder transducer.

    H
     

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