As Oil Rises, What Would You Want?

[comsnark]

When everyone gets the warm fuzzies about these electric cars, remember the figures are based on optimal conditions, no AC/heat, audio amps etc. window defrosters in use etc. And less we forget when you drive that car downtown or wherever the new meter driven power meters on which , guess what the cities will have a tax added to the charging cost, Then there is the additional cost of disposing of old batteries, etc.

Smoke and mirror, same as the Ethanol crapola :huh:

I honestly believe that *long term* electric is the way to go. Why? Because the electricity will come from either US supplied coal but that is no panecea or Nuclear Power. (wind and solar are non-starters)

But I agree with this post in the short term: Electric cars with current technology are a joke. I am not even sold on HyBrids because of the long term battery issues.

McCain could have never won with any choice as VP. The handlers that ran his campaign were clueless. All the errors Palin stated in her book were true about the campaign. They were afraid to take the gloves off with Obama because they feared the media blitz he was getting and the race card. Palin would have been a better Presidential choice than McCain or Obama. Even AZ gun owners don't like McCain for being soft on gun control, etc. We had over 10,000 voters come an see Sarah in our little town in PA! Joe Biden only had 500 the same day in town here. So far we have nobody to run against Obama in 2012 IMHO. I'd vote for Condoleezza Rice in 2012....now I'm really PC, Mike.

I agree with everything here except the bit about Palin being at the top of the ticket. Rice would have been a much better VP candidate -> not because of skin color, but because she is proven smart cookie. The other Republican I wish would have run was Powell. Again. . don't give a rat's behind regarding skin color, but he another real smart cookie. Experience as Chariman of Joint Chief's of Staff AND Sec of State are serious credentials -> and you don't do that with just good looks.

 

[tdschafer]

In my own, personal view, he made three blunders that made him an unviable candidate.........

Of course. . . with the economy tanking, and the blunders in the Iraq war, electing someone from the incumbent party was a stretch even if the they had nominated a good candidate.

I disagree with the first part here. He was a good candidate....8 years earlier!! He was too long in the tooth by the time he got the nomination.


I totally agree with the second part of this statement. There was such pure rancor out there towards Bush, some justified and much of it unjust IMHO, that there was little the Republican party could do to win that election. 2012 should be another story hopefully. Empty slogans of "Hope and change" and "I'm not Bush" will not be good enough this time. Obama now actually has a track record and it is not a favorable one thus far.

 

[comsnark]

I disagree with the first part here. He was a good candidate....8 years earlier!! He was too long in the tooth by the time he got the nomination.


I totally agree with the second part of this statement. There was such pure rancor out there towards Bush, some justified and much of it unjust IMHO, that there was little the Republican party could do to win that election. 2012 should be another story hopefully. Empty slogans of "Hope and change" and "I'm not Bush" will not be good enough this time. Obama now actually has a track record and it is not a favorable one thus far.

Todd;

I agree with your clarification. In 2000, i much prefered McCain to Bush and Gore. I was disappointed when Bush won the Republican nod in 2000. McCain was NOT the same candidate in 2008.

I also agree with your assessment of 2012. I think it is all going to be about the economy.

If the economy doesn't improve by splash time in 2012. . .Obama will be the underdog. If Gas is over $4.00 or the Dow is below 12,500. . .the Republicans will have a real shot. But if Gas is back below $3.00 and the dow is above 14,000. . .then the Republicans had better have a REAL STRONG candidate. . . .

. . . unfortunately, the Republican field is pretty weak right now. The country needs better than Romney or Palin. Hopefully someone decent will step up 6-9 months from now.

The current Republicans in Congress is not helping the Conservative cause right now either. They are arguing about even proposing a mere $61B in spending cuts for this year. Seriously. . . what a joke. What paultry reductions they are proposling look more politically motivated (payback is a biotch) than debt reduction motivated.

This will probably get real sad when the "temporary tax cuts" expire next year.

 

[MonacoMike]

What would you want if…

…you were the CEO of an auto manufacturing company that just offered a new electric car?

…you were the head of a union that derives its power from dues paid by workers that manufacturer those electric cars?

…the president of a country that your biggest political allies were unions and anti-individual environmentalists?

…the president of a country that owned a big stake in the car company building electric cars?

…the president of a country that campaigned on higher energy prices to force us to conserve?

… the president of a country that had operatives around the world at your beck and call that could foment unrest via social media and leave no “fingerprints” to achieve all the above.

You would want higher energy prices???

What can you add to the list???

Confirmation of what we already know....

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/inhofe-obama-oil-gas/2011/03/08/id/388782?s=al&promo_code=BD37-1

I think I failed to make my too subtle point: could the administration be purposely starting sh!t in the Middle East to further run up energy prices? Many believe, as Inhofe suggests in his point, they are doing that domestically. Are they doing it internationally?

 

[CV-23]

Electric cars just can't get the work done for less dollars. We would need more nuclear power or natural gas fired power plants before it can really happen. How many brown-outs do you read about already in the summer? The system can't take the additional load as it stands right now. Our home has "Off Peak Heating" and we were told there is no "off peak" anymore.

Donald Trump in 2012! The world would hate us more but I guess that's what it takes to be #1!....Not care what others think if you care about "your own", Mike.

 

[Banagy]

Will the electric car pull my boat? Oh yes, with a wind turbine on top of the electric vehicle.

 

[skibum]

When everyone switches from gasoline to electric cars, gasoline tax revenues will tank. Then, the government will step in and tax electricity even more than they do now to make up the shortfall. Now, their into your homes and businesses as well.

All of those poor people downtown that don't drive will be subsidizing the highways I use to get the hell away from them when they pay their electric bill. Sweet!

 

[Paulkarlsven]

I was watching a news report on AFN yesterday and they reported that the price of petrol in Lybia is a whopping 12 cents per litre (45 cents per gallon) at the moment. Obviously it has increased to this since all the civil unrest started, they were probably paying closer to 5 cents per litre (19 cents per gallon) before it started.


The next big thing in cars will be the Hydrogen fuel cell technology which will eclipse the current electric car fad I think. The first HFC cars are due to be released on the market around 2015.

 

[bajturner]

Let me make you all feel at least a *little* better about your gas prices. :wink:

I paid CDN$1.24 per litre = US$1.28 per litre = US$4.85 per gallon today! Now, I could drive 45 minutes south and buy it in the US, where Canadian oil is exported to, for $3.35 a gallon!!

:huh:

 

[comsnark]

Powell endorsed Obummer, how smart can he be? (And if skin color had anything to do with it, shame on him) I agree with Rice though, she is the real thing.

Well. . we could have a long discussion about Powell. I think alot of it may boil down to being burned by his fellow Republicans while he was Sec of State. Definately, at the end of Bush's first term, it was Rumsfeld and not Powell that needed to go.

I bet Powell, like many independent voters, saw a McCain White House looking too much like the Bush White House -> and that needed to change.

I think I failed to make my too subtle point: could the administration be purposely starting sh!t in the Middle East to further run up energy prices? Many believe, as Inhofe suggests in his point, they are doing that domestically. Are they doing it internationally?

Agree with his policies or not -> but Obama is not stupid. Running up prices in 2011 hurts the economy in 2012. Trouble in the economy in 2012 spells a difficult re-election.

Your argument would hold more water in 2015, after mid-terms.

 

[MonacoMike]

Agree with his policies or not -> but Obama is not stupid. Running up prices in 2011 hurts the economy in 2012. Trouble in the economy in 2012 spells a difficult re-election.

Your argument would hold more water in 2015, after mid-terms.

This is a discussion point not my personal opinion.

 

[dpvandy01]

Mike Pence with Rubio (?) or Jeb Bush.

 

[MonacoMike]

Mike Pence with Rubio (?) or Jeb Bush.

Mike will not run, and that is too bad, he is a great guy!

 

[Pseudomind]

Let me make you all feel at least a *little* better about your gas prices. :wink:

I paid CDN$1.24 per litre = US$1.28 per litre = US$4.85 per gallon today! Now, I could drive 45 minutes south and buy it in the US, where Canadian oil is exported to, for $3.35 a gallon!!

:huh:

First what is actual cost versus taxes added?

The next big thing in cars will be the Hydrogen fuel cell technology which will eclipse the current electric car fad I think. The first HFC cars are due to be released on the market around 2015.

Mark my words if these cells come into play the next, watch out for what the price of water will go to, many locales already have water rationing in place, now start pumping in millions of gallons daily for fuel cells and just watch. Who will control the water flow utilities, or corporations, if a corporation? Why not just drill, in many cases they probably already have the necessary rights.

I am betting on FUBAR.