A scary night on the water last night...

Gofirstclass

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Apr 20, 2010
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Tri Cities, WA
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I'm a big fan of Junior Achievement. I've been a JA volunteer teacher for many years, help with their annual fund raisers and helped them out in any way I can.

Last night we had 13 of their staff (and a couple of husbands) on the boat for a late evening cruise. We had been on the water for about 3.5 hours, watched the sun set and were just slow cruising back to the slip. It was well after dark and we were on a stretch of the river that was about 1/2 mile wide. I had seen a boat's lights about 1/2 mile ahead as it crossed from my right to left then went parallel to the north shore. It was moving very slowly so after watching it for a few seconds and realizing it presented no hazard, I stopped watching it.

Tina took over the helm as I was answering some questions from one of the passengers. I happened to glance back to the area in front of the boat and saw the sailboat now on a tack that would cross our bow, close enough to be a real hazard. Tina had not seen it so I told her to immediately go into reverse.

She did, we came to a stop, and the boat (about a 24' sailboat) passed by less than 15 yards from our bow.

The sailboat had its navigation lights on, with the 360* light at the top of the mast and its green starboard light illuminated. Other than that the boat was nearly invisible.

Now I realize that the sailboat under sail was the stand on vessel and we were the give way vessel. But I also realize that there's such a thing as being "dead right". Had I not spotted its green nav light and recognized it for what it was, we most likely would have hit it. Had that happened, even though we were only moving about 6 knots, we probably would have sunk it. Had that happened, there likely would have been a fatality or possibly several of all the people on the sailboat.

The "skipper" (using that term loosely) must have seen us. Our nav lights were working, plus the interior cabin lights were on. I was amazed that someone would put himself and his boat (and possibly passengers) in jeopardy by pulling a bonehead move like he did.
 
Don't be so sure he saw you... I've witnessed many oblivious captains before...Many do not look aft and if you're running at close to idle speed they prob. wouldn't hear you.

Honestly doubt it was someone who intended on testing the rule of tonnage...

Glad everyone is safe and it's also a great reason to run radar at night.
 
Also if he was on a reach and you were downwind he really might not have seen you from the boat healing over and the sail blocking his view to STB. Still no excuse, Rule 5, maintain a proper lookout. Rest assured, he had to clean is britches out after he realized what almost happened.
 
He was on a broad reach but we were upwind of him so the boat was heeled away from us so, assuming he had his back to the wind, also assuming he was looking forward, it would have been hard to miss seeing us.....IF he was looking ahead along his intended route.

This situation reminded me again why it is that I don't drink if I have to move the boat.
 
Welcome to my world. In my days on big Haze Grey things I saw just plain stupid things done by just plain stupid sailboters that give all sailors a bad name.

Glad no one was hurt.

Good job.
 
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Sail boats seem to run with most electronics off because they have very little power. I have passed many sail boats that do not have their radio on. I have had to blow my horn to get their attention.
I have seen sail boats cut in front of cargo ships in a designation shipping lane and when reminded by the pilot they were in a shipping lane say OH or sorry. One ship had to do some fancy driving. I do not cut in front of a cargo ship as I could loose power and be a hood ornament.
 
So, you knew there was a sailboat under sail in the area, because you had seen her. You handed over the helm to your wife without telling her of said sailboat. You were preoccupied with non navigational guest related issues, wife failed to see the correctly lit sailboat and YOU are complaining? Do you really think you were keeping adequate lookout?

Look inward my friend.
 
Now I realize that the sailboat under sail was the stand on vessel and we were the give way vessel.

It is the responsibility of the stand-on vessel to "maintain course and speed." I see absolutely no reason to insult that skipper here; he/she did nothing wrong. Having been that sailboater more times than I can count, I can assure you that he/she wasn't trying to get killed. He/She was probably watching you in astonishment as you continued to fail to alter course.

Additionally, if they were on a broad reach with you upwind, then coming off without jibing or coming up without stalling still could have placed them on a dangerous course with you (especially not knowing whether you were going to alter course or speed). Sorry to say it, but I'm with Sea Gull on this one.
 
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The sailboat had its navigation lights on, with the 360* light at the top of the mast and its green starboard light illuminated. Other than that the boat was nearly invisible.

Sorry GFC I'm going with Sea Gull on this one. Unlike many sailboaters this one was completely legal with nav lights on. Boats at night are not required to to do any more than use those to be more than "nearly invisible." You should've been running radar or Flir if you have it and certainly had never handed over the helm without notice to your replacement. This guy/gal shouldn't have had to shoot a flare in the air to make sure you saw him/her. I'm glad you didn't hurt him/her or you or any of your guests. Be careful to name this post "Scary night on the water last night..." The sailboater is the one that shoulda been scared...
 
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This issue of being the stand on or give way vessel has been a hot topic with me lately... I have concluded its a 1%'r thing... 1% of us know the rules of navigation. That leaves 99% of every other boat on a joy ride. So last weekend one of the busiest of the summer I took a different position and assumed I was the give way vessel for any situation and I actually had a more enjoyable weekend.
 
hmm. I wonder if he was marked correctly. If his white light was on and viewable for 360 degrees, he was marked a power boat regardless of sails up or down. If his white light was only visible from the rear, then he would be marked as sailboat and may have right of way. Funny thing with right of way is that being a d!ck and cutting someone off just because you have right of way is a good way to get you dead. At night many people drink and are not paying attention (not saying this regarding originall poster). My pet pev is the folks out there who are not lit at all. My 10,000+ Lb boat is going to kill all three of the idiots on the row / fishing boat not lit and I am sure their lawyer will figure out a way to blame me (who is sober, paying attention and lit correctly) if not the paper.
 
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One sees a lot of sail boat in our area with sail up and motor running and they think they are a sail boat. I call them if there is a chance things could go bad. Most of the time no answer. I find they look when you blow your horn but do not turn on their radio.
 
I spend a lot of time on sail boats under sail and see both sides but, sailers only spend time on one side see nothing but them!
They always have right of way in their minds and are frustrated by power boats.
Best to steer clear of bone head sailors all the time.
 
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You admit that you (and Tina) didn't see the boat until ya'll were very close. Good chance the same thing held true for the sailboat.

Needless to say, I'm glad you did see it and avoided a big problem. But accidents can and do happen. We all avoid them many times in our daily lives, and thankfully all we have is a story to tell, and a not so welcome adrenaline rush.
 
Right away issue aside...why wasn't Tina notified of the potential danger ahead before handing her the helm, and why wasn't Tina able to see the danger for herself? Blaming the other skipper for this potential incident seems remiss.
 
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