A good listen

[VTSeaRay]

Please take 8 minutes to listen to this interview. THIS IS YOUR FUTURE!!! We must write to our Senators and Congressmen and demand that they not approve this disgraceful bill. To approve this would be an act against humanity.



Fred Thompson: Interviews

 

[fc3]

This is consistent with this administration's philosophies. John P. Holdren is Osama's "science advisor." He's a nut case with a Ph.D. Holdren supported arguments for giving “natural objects” (ie: trees) standing to sue in a court of law, claiming that it would have a “most salubrious” effect on the environment. He's advocated for zero and negative population growth. One book he co-authored recommended forced abortion and sterilization, which he now thinks the government probably should not do. I guess by "health policy" would be OK though.

This type of stuff is crazy. Who could conceive that anyone actually believes crap like that?

 

[skibum]

Disgraceful... I can't think of anything else to say that describes it...

 

[jakebrake]

disgraceful? naaaah....."Vomitrocious".....yeah. that fits.

wait till you see the immigration bill.

 

[tmhudson2]

At least in the U.K. if you have the $, you can go see a private doc.

 

[frankn88]

Ok, I took 8 minutes and listened to my future (Damn, I certainly hope Fred Thompson has NOTHING to do with my future). Now, why don't you take a little time to look at the actual bill as it is? Here's the link: http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf. But before you do, go to this page: http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/ I've never heard of this guy, but he's obviously a good drinkin' buddy of Rush and Fred. Take a look at his page with all his scare tactics, (he helpfully gives page numbers in the bill), and then compare his B.S. with what's ACTUALLY in the bill. You'll quickly see that he's hoping you won't do this, because you won't have to try too many to realize he is full of poopy.
As an example, here's his first one:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

WOW! Sure sounds scary! I don't want that to happen to me, guess I better do everything I can to slam health care reform.... If you take 10 seconds to read that page in the bill, you'll see what it requires is that they produce a STUDY of all employer GROUPS - and here's the scary part - the purpose of the study is to PROTECT employers, small, medium and large from going broke if they try to self-insure!

By the way, the one mentioned in the interview is there too, right on page 425 where the helpful lady said it would be. Guess what? Not at all the "MANDATORY WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DIE SOONER" (do you guys REALLY believe this stuff? Really? Amazing...) that she said it was. Actually, it's a consultation with your doctor or nurse to make sure you're aware of all the services that are available to you, and to let you know about the types of decisions YOU may be making someday about your end of life care, e.g., do I want (not what the doctor or gubm't wants) full care, pain relief only, living wills, trusts, etc. (you know - to take care of your children - oooh, how evil!)
So please, don't just believe what you hear on the radio. Do at least a *little* fact-finding for yourself and maybe you'll at least have a better idea of who's trying to tell you the truth and who's spreading propaganda.

 

[Pseudomind]

Ok, I took 8 minutes and listened to my future (Damn, I certainly hope Fred Thompson has NOTHING to do with my future). Now, why don't you take a little time to look at the actual bill as it is? Here's the link: http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf. But before you do, go to this page: http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/ I've never heard of this guy, but he's obviously a good drinkin' buddy of Rush and Fred. Take a look at his page with all his scare tactics, (he helpfully gives page numbers in the bill), and then compare his B.S. with what's ACTUALLY in the bill. You'll quickly see that he's hoping you won't do this, because you won't have to try too many to realize he is full of poopy.
As an example, here's his first one:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!WOW! Sure sounds scary! I don't want that to happen to me, guess I better do everything I can to slam health care reform.... If you take 10 seconds to read that page in the bill, you'll see what it requires is that they produce a STUDY of all employer GROUPS - and here's the scary part - the purpose of the study is to PROTECT employers, small, medium and large from going broke if they try to self-insure!

By the way, the one mentioned in the interview is there too, right on page 425 where the helpful lady said it would be. Guess what? Not at all the "MANDATORY WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DIE SOONER" (do you guys REALLY believe this stuff? Really? Amazing...) that she said it was. Actually, it's a consultation with your doctor or nurse to make sure you're aware of all the services that are available to you, and to let you know about the types of decisions YOU may be making someday about your end of life care, e.g., do I want (not what the doctor or gubm't wants) full care, pain relief only, living wills, trusts, etc. (you know - to take care of your children - oooh, how evil!)
So please, don't just believe what you hear on the radio. Do at least a *little* fact-finding for yourself and maybe you'll at least have a better idea of who's trying to tell you the truth and who's spreading propaganda.

Well if it is so good, then why has Congress, the judiciary and the president ( Legislative, Judicial and executive branches) exempted themselves from being covered by it?

Less Gov-Mint, not more.

Let's see we can schedule you in for an appointment to make an appointment for six weeks from today

Yes boys and girls, triage services are coming

Doctor: hello, Your age
Patient: 61
Doctor: There is nothing we can do, go home and take some aspirin.

 

[frankn88]

Well if it is so good, then why has Congress, the judiciary and the president ( Legislative, Judicial and executive branches) exempted themselves from being covered by it?

Less Gov-Mint, not more.

Let's see we can schedule you in for an appointment to make an appointment for six weeks from today

Yes boys and girls, triage services are coming

Doctor: hello, Your age
Patient: 61
Doctor: There is nothing we can do, go home and take some aspirin.

There you go! That's the spirit! Don't learn anything, just keep that propaganda coming folks! :smt101

 

[Four Suns]

There you go! That's the spirit! Don't learn anything, just keep that propaganda coming folks! :smt101

Hey! There's a website at the Whitehouse where you can turn all these people in! Do it!

 

[wish2fish]

if he didnt have Maryland down as his location I would have thought it was Al Franken!

 

[VTSeaRay]

Well if it is so good, then why has Congress, the judiciary and the president ( Legislative, Judicial and executive branches) exempted themselves from being covered by it?

Less Gov-Mint, not more.

Let's see we can schedule you in for an appointment to make an appointment for six weeks from today

Yes boys and girls, triage services are coming

Doctor: hello, Your age
Patient: 61
Doctor: There is nothing we can do, go home and take some aspirin.

6 weeks? You're joking right? Once this is enacted, it'll be more like 6-18 months...

 

[Pseudomind]

There you go! That's the spirit! Don't learn anything, just keep that propaganda coming folks! :smt101

:smt043:smt043

Next you will tell me this is propaganda also;

Well if it is so good, then why has Congress, the judiciary and the president (Legislative, Judicial and executive branches) exempted themselves from being covered by it?

 

[frankn88]

You're referring to the senate bill, which has not passed, and is not the one I posted the link to. I think it'd be great if they agreed to sign up, will they? Probably not. They've already got the best health-care in the country - and you know what, under the proposal, they, just like you and me, can keep whatever coverage they have.
The point I'm trying to make here is, is that it's not helpful to just be spewing whatever fabrications you heard from Rush and Fred and whoever else yesterday and just trying to shut down the process completely. What does that accomplish? You really think the system we have now is so great? 40 million uninsured (or whatever the number is)? The USA is number 50 - F I F T Y on the list of life expectancy at birth. Just barely above CUBA! Canada, which everyone loves to say is socialized and just so scary and horrible, is number 8! France is 9. And no, I don't want to move to Canada or France right now, but not because of their health care systems.
It would just be nice to see people actually work TOWARD a solution, instead of just taking a knee-jerk reaction and slamming any possible effort because "it's the liberal agenda" or whatever. I'm not saying the bill I posted is the best possible solution, I'm sure it's not. I think the CO-OP idea sounds better than a public option. But you know what? I'm willing to let the people we voted for try and work it out because I DO BELIEVE that if given the chance they (either party for that matter) can come up with something that's far superior to what we have now. It's disappointing so many people, acting out of ignorance, are willing to just shut the whole process down because they've whipped into a frenzy by people who do not have their best interests at stake. It only hurts us (all of us).

 

[fc3]

Hey! What do you know? A true believer and disciple of Osama. But not much boating knowledge. Good candidate for the ignore list. Nothing here folks. Move along. Move along.

Mmm. Better.

 

[frankn88]

Hey! What do you know? A true believer and disciple of Osama. But not much boating knowledge. Good candidate for the ignore list. Nothing here folks. Move along. Move along.

Well, the forum is called the "Holding Tank", so I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a few turds floating around in here...

 

[wish2fish]

You're referring to the senate bill, which has not passed, and is not the one I posted the link to. I think it'd be great if they agreed to sign up, will they? Probably not. They've already got the best health-care in the country - and you know what, under the proposal, they, just like you and me, can keep whatever coverage they have.
The point I'm trying to make here is, is that it's not helpful to just be spewing whatever fabrications you heard from Rush and Fred and whoever else yesterday and just trying to shut down the process completely. What does that accomplish? You really think the system we have now is so great? 40 million uninsured (or whatever the number is)? The USA is number 50 - F I F T Y on the list of life expectancy at birth. Just barely above CUBA! Canada, which everyone loves to say is socialized and just so scary and horrible, is number 8! France is 9. And no, I don't want to move to Canada or France right now, but not because of their health care systems.
It would just be nice to see people actually work TOWARD a solution, instead of just taking a knee-jerk reaction and slamming any possible effort because "it's the liberal agenda" or whatever. I'm not saying the bill I posted is the best possible solution, I'm sure it's not. I think the CO-OP idea sounds better than a public option. But you know what? I'm willing to let the people we voted for try and work it out because I DO BELIEVE that if given the chance they (either party for that matter) can come up with something that's far superior to what we have now. It's disappointing so many people, acting out of ignorance, are willing to just shut the whole process down because they've whipped into a frenzy by people who do not have their best interests at stake. It only hurts us (all of us).

No way should we give them any more healthcare power until they operate medicare/medicaid better. There is so much fraud and abuse and it isn't caught until way after the fact or never.

If you send your kid away to college and they spend all the money on partying and their grades suck, do you send them back the next year or do you make some changes?

 

[fc3]

If you send your kid away to college and they spend all the money on partying and their grades suck, do you send them back the next year or do you make some changes?

No, of course not. You hand over the operation of the family business, move south, and retire knowing that your future is in good hands.

 

[keokie]

Peter,
I read your posts. I appreciate your attempt to belay my fears regarding what our government is thinking of doing to healthcare. Unfortunately, it actually confirms them. Government involvement in my decisions for healthcare is extremely frightening to me. This is based on the government's long history of waste, fraud, abuse, innefficiency, and apathy to the individual.

What I see in these proposals is a green light for the government to take away my freedoms. Your assurances (or anyone else's) of the government's lack of bad intentions, or even good intentions is entirely unconvincing. You believe that makes people like myself ignorant or dupes for conservative rhetoric. Actually, it is just recognition of reality. I didn't choose the reality, I just recognize it. The government is not competent enough or compassionate enough to handle my specific needs for healthcare, and it certainly does not have the money.

So you and I differ on the principle of government's involvement in healthcare. the specifics of the plan are irrevelant.

Think of it this way. Let's assume we are neighbors and a con man comes to each of our houses and offers to paint them. We agree. He takes our money and leaves without doing a thing. A year later that same con man comes back and offers to fix our roof. I say 'no' based on last year's episode. You say 'yes' based on his articulate explanation of how great of a job he will do and how lousy all the other roofers are. Then, you come to my house and criticize me for not taking the offer based on his great proposal. That's where we are, except I was compelled to agree to the painting. Otherwise, I would not have been ripped off at all.

 

[islandhopper00]

My view is pass a bill that all politicians have to subscribe to with us. Take away their golden plans and put them in the box with the rest of us. Then you'd see something alittle more fair and just.

 

[gordovip24]

I am sure the reason the estimated 15 million are uninsured
(the main reason for the bill :huh: (other than getting more Dems on the rolls :thumbsup).
!. Don't want to pay
2. Illegal aliens
3. Can get by law free health care
4.Think they are indestructable
5. Veterans benefits
6. Medicaid/Medicare

The cost of Insurance (health) care is so expensive is:


Pick four out of the six:

Aren't we already paying for the high cost of insurance and taxes to these people.

I feel the only reason for Obamacare is:

1. More Dems
2. Every Dem President since Roosevelt have tried and failed
except JBJ (medicare/medicaid)
3. More controll over individual freedom of choice.
4. Change :smt021


I can't wait for the immigration Bill :smt013